I love the web, but I think I kinda loathe it as a “rich” app platform.
@torb Do you have examples of “rich” web apps you loathe?

@bitbear Every website that's merely showing you some content that's overloaded with JavaScript and often doesn't even run without client side JS.

There are *some* rich web apps that justify their own existence (I don't think they're enjoyable to program though), but a lot those might have been better of as native apps anyway.

Or even apps where most of the code is running on the server (Astro/Django/ASP.NET MVC, etc style of apps).

@torb @bitbear
Yeah. If you look at the underlying DOM, it’s “infinite, recursive ‘div soup’” i.e. each character enclosed by <div> tags as it was retrieved and injected into the DOM using JavaScript.