Ulrich O.RE: https://hachyderm.io/@soviut/116144223905120508
Gotta love this add. Am going to use it in class!
@pluralistic
Bård H. (lvl 49 🇳🇴)On a sidenote...
Bought a seven year old Nissan Leaf 40kw just before Xmas
Now Nissan tells me they don't care enough about their existing customers to let the mobile app continue to work for these cars, so we will no longer be able to pre heat the car before driving
So much for trusting a company...
Guess I will never buy a Nissan again
Colin Warren@baardhaveland @obucate @pluralistic To be fair, as an original owner of a 2017 Leaf, this is because the hardware in the car is a 3G cellular modem. Which no longer can connect as the Telcos have turned off the antennas. And are no longer listening…
Jean-Baptiste "JBQ" Quéru@cvwarren @baardhaveland @obucate @pluralistic It was totally predictable in 2017 that 3G wasn't going to last long. 1G had been gone for a long time, 2G was in the process of being shut down, and frequencies were already being auctioned for 5G. It was already an issue that those cars didn't ship with 4G, and a bigger issue that they couldn't be upgraded. Having only hard-wired 3G in 2017 is gross short-sightedness on Nissan's side, that wouldn't even outlast the battery warranty.
@jbqueru @baardhaveland @obucate @pluralistic But! They were a year away from a model refresh, and Nissan was, I would say, wisely spending their engineering effort on moving away from an admittedly primitive platform. I’m actually somewhat reassured that my car is unable to snitch anymore
Some details:
- 4g opened in Norway in 2009.
- The car was made in 2018.
- 3g died in 2021, four years ago (predicted, as you mentioned)
- The app is currently working for another month.
This means either Nissan decided to flip off the car owners so they could kill the existing systems and nuke the 4g network operation cost.
OR the cars are running on what's left of the 2g network. (Which I would claim to be fraud for any 2018 car...)
@baardhaveland Apparently they were still making 3G-only cars as late as last year. Dang.
So much for trust...
baibold@cvwarren @baardhaveland @obucate @pluralistic This is why we can't have nice things. Used to be when tech in a car got obsolete, you could get aftermarket replacements, or at the very least, a nice cassette tape adapter to plug your MP3 player into your car.
No excuses for why they couldn't have allowed for wifi connections other than forcing consumers to pay for a subscription.
I had a 2019 Hyundai ioniq a few years ago. Awesome car, but not online.
But it DID support wifi so I could get updates for both software and the map.
This also allowed me to use my phone as an access point to get GPS traffic info while driving.
Why isn't this a thing any more? 😢
@baardhaveland because virtually nobody competes on quality, only maximum profit for minimal investment.
@cvwarren @obucate @pluralistic
It's a 2018 model. Also, it's in Norway.
I'm on somewhat thin ice here, but to my knowledge, the 2g and 3g network was taken down quite a while ago. So if the app still works in February of 2026, I'm guessing the car must be on 4g.
@cvwarren @obucate @pluralistic
I asked them, and there was no mention of mobile network shutdown in their answer.
"Denne endringen skyldes den eldre arkitekturen til den nåværende plattformen, som ikke kan oppgraderes for å støtte fremtidige forbedringer eller samsvare med våre pågående utviklingsplaner."
G-trans
--> "This change is due to the legacy architecture of the current platform, which cannot be upgraded to support future enhancements or conform to our ongoing development plans."
@cvwarren @obucate @pluralistic
But as a user of _this_ car, I do not need or expect future enhancements. I simply need the currently working ones to keep working.
I'f it's because the 3g network is going down, I get that. But I'm not convinced that is the case.
@baardhaveland @obucate Indeed—I think I did the math wrong, and that sounds it is the next version of the model (which I agree shouldn’t lose features)
Nicole Parsons@baardhaveland @cvwarren @obucate @pluralistic
Nissan has been in the Enshittification Game for a long time.
Their CVT transmissions...
https://www.carparts.com/blog/why-the-nissan-cvt-is-quite-possibly-the-worst-transmission-ever-built/
Bruce Elrick@Npars01 That's old technology from when it was the only option in the 90s, I think. Did they downgrade to it or have they never upgraded it?
Nissan kept these awful transmissions in their designs as part of an accelerated obsolescence effort.
People needed new transmissions the minute the warranty expired & they made replacement, not repair, the only option.
"Smart" home appliance makers like LG, Samsung, etc have adopted the same methods. Ditch not fix.
Landfills are reaching capacity earlier than expected from these practices.
@Npars01 Don't get me wrong, I fully understand the concepts and practices. But unlike appliances where all manufacturers do this (except maybe commercial appliance models?), there are plenty of cars which do not have these transmissions. What is the explanation for how Nissan has been able to fool customers into buying these?
I'm not sure why Nissan has kept these defective transmissions on the market for so long, aside from greed.
Transmissions are the most expensive component to replace, often exceeding the blue book value of the vehicle.
There's heavy pressure at the dealerships to encourage a new car instead of repair.
me·ta·phil, der
🇨🇦 TRH 🇨🇦@Npars01 @baardhaveland @cvwarren @obucate @pluralistic I have a 2019 Kicks with one of those CVTs, it had the shudder on takeoff since I bought it, it's important to note to change your transmission fluid on schedule if not more often.
@Npars01 @baardhaveland @cvwarren @obucate @pluralistic The fan control module rusted out so in summer the fan kept running with the engine off until the battery died. Nissan's fix was to replace the entire rad ($1200) and if they had to disconnect the AC, an extra $250. Plus $170 "diagnostic" charge. I bought the part online for $50 and had my mechanic replace it for $50 so I saved $1520.
But I'm not sure Nissan has the monopoly of this kind of enshittification.
But I'm not sure Nissan has the monopoly of this kind of enshittification.