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Soldered on NAND means you have a garbage system. There is no exception.

NAND burns out (literally) every time you write to it. These PCs are destined for the landfill in time, as not even "installing Linux to make an old PC useful again" works to save a laptop with a fried soldered SSD.

Unless you're ready to bust out the hot air gun...

#ssd #memory #nand #enshittification #capitalism #plannedobsolescence #nvme

Feb 27 at 3:33pmWeb
Show threadrjFeb 27
@Lydie you've reminded me I need to switch some..."industrial waste" to just holding iPXE in that NAND and effectively netboot all the time instead
Show threadSnozzedandlostFeb 27
@Lydie I have a Dell laptop with soldered on 32g drive. Even with Linux that doesn’t leave me with much room. I have been wondering if I could swap it out for a larger chip 🤔
Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Feb 27
@Snozzedandlost I've seen same size SSD chips swapped on soldered boards. Not sure if it would recognize a larger one, depends on the BIOS I suspect. This only stands a chance is it's a single chip SSD with controller inside.
Show threadSnozzedandlostFeb 27
@Lydie some day I’ll have to research this. Today is likely not that day.
Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Feb 27
@Snozzedandlost Pop it open - if you're lucky there's an expansion slot. My old ass Netbook had one. Cheers!
Show threadSnozzedandlostFeb 27
@Lydie I have, there is not. There are unpopulated pads for components for an m2 slot (IIRC) but that is it.
Show thread$₽€₵₭¥Feb 27

@Lydie
technically: you're correct!
but practically (for the avg. customer, not datahoarders - looking at no one here 😜 or media editors) it shouldn't really matter.

at 3000 cycles with, let's say 2 tb, you can write 6 pb before wear becomes a problem. given you left enough space and the firmware distributes writes across the drive.

stumbled about a post writing about this a few days ago:
https://eclecticlight.co/2026/02/26/how-long-will-my-macs-ssd-last/

… not talking about having a faulty chip - that WILL ruin your day.

How long will my Mac’s SSD last?

Doesn’t macOS wear out internal SSDs quickly because of all the data it writes to them? Will my Mac’s SSD wear out prematurely? How can I tell?

The Eclectic Light Company
Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Feb 27
@speckmantel That said....... I've had multiple non-datahoarding related SSDs burn out. Those old 16GB / 32 GB SSDs can't take as much abuse.
Show thread$₽€₵₭¥Feb 27
@Lydie right again.
but in all fairness … that's the size of a 5 bucks micro-sd these days.
hell, even my 2,5 " ssds (sata) with 128 gb failed me after two years back then. the current 1 and 2 tb ones are working fine for more than 5 years now. although being filled to 90 % with windows, mac and linux partitions and games.


… jeah … aaaand they are replaceable since they are m.2. buuuut, that doesn't help my point right now, so pls. simply ignore it :-D
Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Feb 27
@speckmantel Cheers!
Show threadNazoFeb 28

@Lydie @speckmantel It's worth noting it isn't always the actual NAND chip actually dying there. Very frequently it's other components going bad. Unfortunately there's a pretty decent amount of complexity involved in these things.

Technically speaking these things do offer a pretty large amount of practical lifetime for normal users, but of course a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. The real issue is likely not the soldered on NAND chip, but the soldered on SMD capacitors and etc that they skimped on.

That's technically fixable by experts (unless it actually burns out the chip) but for most of us I admit it's ultimately the same thing.

But then harddrives have their fair share of issues too... And they too have their own control circuitry that can die.

Show threadNazoFeb 28

@Lydie @speckmantel IMO the true issue is they aren't building stuff to last anymore. People are expected to just toss their equipment in the trash every two years or so. That is... not ok... And companies design around this whole mentality and encourage it.

A decent NAND chip can easily last more than ten years of proper, reasonable usage. But when the components around it go bad it doesn't make much difference whether it lasts or not...

I don't agree with the conspiracy theory of "planned obsolesce" but at the same time, I will admit that "just being so dirt cheap that things die quickly" isn't much difference... (The only difference is in intent. They don't specifically intend for things to break, they just don't make the minimum effort for them not to.)

Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Feb 28
@nazokiyoubinbou @speckmantel have you seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Phoebus cartel - Wikipedia

Show threadNazoFeb 28

@Lydie @speckmantel I guess I should rather say I don't believe most things people declare are that to be that.

Call it a case of Occam's Razor. Most of the time, rather than a complex huge conspiracy I think it's just companies being straight up cheap. People want to buy everything cheaper and most don't even think about things like long term reliability until the thing actually breaks. So they use cheap components for anything that doesn't sound good on paper. "We use Micron chips!" Sounds good, right? They spent the extra dime. Then spent two less to get no-name caps.

But I won't deny that they do absolutely run with the mentality people have of just replacing everything pretty often and several corporations (Apple!!!) do every single thing they can to encourage it.

Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Feb 28
@nazokiyoubinbou @speckmantel indeed. disgusting and a side effect of capitalism
Show threadNazoFeb 28
@Lydie @speckmantel Oh it absolutely is, but at the same time it's a little bit on the markets that they're so easily fooled. People could demand quality and they'd produce it. Once people did...
Show threadChemicalTribeMar 5
@Lydie
But look on the bright side - with soldered ram and storage, no one can harvest them out of old laptops to sell on their own, this preserving the laptop refurb market.
Shrug?
Show threadℒӱḏɩę 💾☮∞🎶♲☀🔋Mar 5
@ChemicalTribe you're not wrong