Banning children from VPNs and social media will erode adults' privacy

https://sopuli.xyz/post/41795803

Banning children from VPNs and social media will erode adults' privacy - Sopuli

Lemmy

The Internet was cool while it lasted
We’ll just continue to make our own internet with blackjack and hookers. Too much knowledge is already out.
Isn’t that just the “dark web”

Yeah, it’s also meshtastic and ham

We’ve got options and always will.

I assume unless they just make whitelist of sites you can connect to you can find workarounds.
What’re the data rates like on meshtastic and ham? Wasn’t looking great when I briefly looked at it.

I mean they’re not crazy good by any means, but they could be improved upon. More so speaking of mesh, ham is its own mystery in my brain.

Just examples really of networking outside of the normal infrastructure.

Okay yeah that was the impression I had too. I was excited when I first heard about it but from what I read it didn’t seem like you could do much with it. I’m still interested in playing around with it though if I find some free time. Ham didn’t really interest me as it requires a license which kind of defeats the purpose of this imo.

Agreed on that front as well.

There has been some progress with data on meshtastic as well as range. For what it is in its current state, it’s still pretty awesome imo

Meshtastic uses LoRa, so slow speeds but far distance. A better choice is reticulum, this combines LoRa, Wifi HaLow, Wifi 2.4 & 5 GHz and BLE together into one network stack. So in a city we could have faster data speeds all sharing WiFi and rural areas that currently need satellite we could have a connection over far distances wirelessly. Reticulum is also encrypted, meshtastic is not
It’s called the deep web in this case. The dark web takes special tools to access, like Tor

The Internet is just a bunch of AS running open source protocols on commercially available infrastructure. It’s doing fine. The hosted commercial services might be fucked, but you can run your own.

You’re using such a service right now.

Until the government beats down the door of whoever’s not following their BS laws and shuts them down.

no you can’t “run your own” for very long if that means you are breaking the law and can be legally punished for not complying with laws like this :(

Governments of the world, get the fuck out of the Internet.

A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

by John Perry Barlow Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.We have no elected...

Electronic Frontier Foundation
Considering the recent comments from Merz that is indeed the point
Du hast Fotzenfritz falsch geschrieben
These guys are actually begging for it.
To be fair this kind of thing certainly hasn’t gone wrong with Germany before!

Yep, that’s the plan.

It should be obvious by now that governments don’t give one fuck about protecting kids. Not one single fuck.

Well… Fucking and children and people associated with power …. We have learned there is no real “not” in this Chain…

Algorithm-based, ad supported social media is a public health crisis and damages people of all ages. It should be destroyed. At that point we don’t have to worry about it’s effect on kids or them using VPNs to circumvent age restrictions.

Seems like a more effective solution to me.

The only way to use VPN with how things are going at this rate is through mail in cash or Monero.
Yet another mullvad W
With a bit of infrastructure, today you can detect and disrupt any VPN session. This is coming soon to your country, too.
You also can avoid all of these disruptions by camouflaging your packets as some generic protocol, which is already quite easy e.g. in Mullvad by using shadowsocks and ai disruption (randomising, among others, packet size and intervals). In fact, it will always be impossible to detect VPNs without deep packet inspection - and that would require banning ALL internet traffic encryption, which seems unrealistic because of the astronomical downsides, even in today’s political situation.
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Yeah, I didn’t know about that, that sounds terrifying. At least I was still right in saying that they cannot block VPNs completely - you can still send traffic through HTTPS or DNS requests, but it is just too slow for most applications, however definitely enough to be able to communicate with other people in times of censorship. Based on my research Russia is also experimenting with CIDR whitelisting, which is even worse but does have the huge drawback of basically breaking the internet except for a few large sites.

without deep packet inspection

DPI is being used actively in a lot of countries including where I live, sadly

The world is going to shit… also, I am asking out of pure curiosity - how does DPI interact with encryption where you live? Is encryption just plain illegal or what?

encryption is legal, DPI is used to block specific websites that are deemed illegal in this country like pornography, gambling, “national security” related (North Korean stuff mainly), piracy, etc. for context where I live is South Korea.

attached a machine translated screenshot of warning.or.kr (where blocked pages get redirected to)

And here I don’t let my kids access the internet at all without a VPN
For the folks not exposed to the plan.
Hackers Expose The Massive Surveillance Stack Hiding Inside Your “Age Verification” Check - Beehaw

> We’ve been saying this for years now, and we’re going to keep saying it until the message finally sinks in: mandatory age verification creates massive, centralized honeypots of sensitive biometric data that will inevitably be breached. Every single time. And every single time it happens, the politicians who mandated these systems and the companies that built them act shocked—shocked!—that collecting enormous databases of government IDs, facial scans, and biometric data from millions of people turns out to be a security nightmare. > > Well, here we go again. > > A couple weeks ago, Discord announced it would launch “teen-by-default” settings for its global audience, meaning all users would be shunted into a restricted experience unless they verified their age through biometric scanning. The internet, predictably, was not thrilled. But while many users were busy venting their frustration, a group of security researchers decided to do something more useful: they took a look under the hood at Persona, one of the companies Discord was using for verification (specifically for users in the UK). > > What they found, according to The Rage, was exactly what we would predict: > > > Together with two other researchers, they set out to look into Persona, the San Francisco-based startup that’s used by Discord for biometric identity verification – and found a Persona frontend exposed to the open internet on a US government authorized server. > > > > In 2,456 publicly accessible files, the code revealed the extensive surveillance Persona software performs on its users, bundled in an interface that pairs facial recognition with financial reporting – and a parallel implementation that appears designed to serve federal agencies. > > Let me say that again: 2,456 publicly accessible files sitting on a government-authorized server, exposed to the open internet.

It’s frustrating that they act like we have privacy right now. The whole situation is typical absurd human behavior.
It’s a feature, not a bug.
To reinforce the plausible deniability of politicians of course. It’s all about manufacturing consent.

Corporate needs you to find the difference between [UK] and [China]

They are the same picture .jpg

Yep, and “age verification” is just a euphemism for identity verification.

Age restrictions and id verification side step the real issue that they don’t want to deal with.

Actually regulating the companies making these addictive, harmful sites.

The real problem is children on the Internet. The real solution is getting parents to use parental control software.

If you’re a full grown adult using Facebook, much less addicted to it, ya get what ya deserve.

The global pedofile oligarch greater Israel project noose tightens
Which is the entire point.
What if you buy your child a VPN that is outside of UK?
And that’s why the UK law is so stupid.
Yes, and it’s also a bad idea that has no place in a free society for many other reasons.
Good luck! My child is behind 7 proxies!