ExtremeDullardAmericans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers
https://piefed.social/c/politics/p/1819063/americans-are-leaving-the-u-s-in-record-numbers
At least you can be certain the Americans who are disgusted enough with their country to make the non-trivial effort of uprooting themselves are good folks, and they’ll be a net positive for whichever new society they choose to become part of.
redlemaceThey get what they voted for.
Well…yes and no. If I recall well, little over 60% voted. Slightly more than half for trump. So a bit over 30% of the american voters voted for this shit. Those 40% that not voted… They could have made a difference but did not bother
They voted as a country. The country as an entity wanted Trump and they got it.
Only the losers in any election starts itemizing. I get it: Trump is about as legit as Hitler in terms of absolute percentage of people who voted for him vs. the entire pool of potential electors.
But that’s not how it works: he won as per the rules of the elections, and now he’s become the country’s choice and its problem.
explodicleTo add: we’ve been voting on how our elections work since 2000. The problem was obvious then and we kept excusing candidates who support FPTP.
RainbowHedgehogOn some level, I agree.
On another, I think of that Canadian who was getting mad at protest voters. Because Canadian sovereignty is so much more sacred than Palestinian sovereignty. Because Canadian rage is so much more holy than Palestinian rage.
I think of that European who called protecting immigrants “a waste of time.” We’re on the brink of WW3! You can’t waste your time helping them! They’re not important!
I think of that person who wanted to call ICE on her Latino neighbor because “Latinos voted for Trump.” They deserve it. After all, so many of them are ICE agents!
I think of those anti-Trumpers who laughed at those Texan children who died in a storm. “They’re from Trump country, they’re just going to grow up to be racist anyways.”
Do children of Trumpers deserve to die? Do Latinos deserve this for falling for Trump’s lies? Do Canadians deserve their sovereignty threatened because they looked the other way for Palestine for 70 years when it benefitted them?
The reason I fight is because I feel that there is something worth fighting for. That people deserve salvation even when they’ve sinned. And I extend that to Europeans and Canadians as well. They refused to stop the US for Iraq and Gaza before and only bother to stand up now that they are personally affected. Do you believe they deserve to have the US turn on them for their sins?
chuckleslord
Slightly less than half the votes cast were for Trump: en.wikipedia.org/…/2024_United_States_presidentia…
I have a friend… A person I know, who is dating a good friend of mine. He’s from California originally. He convinced my friend to not vote because Kamala had “bad policies” when she was an AG. Blah blah pot. Blah blah guns… blah blah excuse.
Now he’s vocal about Trump’s policies, blah blah guns. Blah blah free speech, blah blah ICE.
I’m like mofo do you even hear yourself? She wasn’t perfect. She made mistakes… But nope couldn’t vote for the woman.
Shits infuriating.
It’s perfectly legitimate to vote third party in a non-swing state to express your disgust with the state of The Democrats. However, doing that in a swing state is basically just punching yourself in the face.
In no case should you choose not to vote because that registers as apathy rather than disgust with the choices.
So they both voted for Trump. There’s no debate. That’s what happened.
Every abstained vote is a vote for trump, so 68% of the country voted for Trump.
Asinine reasoning. If Harris had won, they’d all have been a vote for her.
No, if literal Hitler is running in the election and you don’t vote, the vote counts for Hitler.
Trust me when I say I have wrestled with this for a long time now, having to live among people who either voted for the fascists or didn’t vote at all. There are a few key factors in the US that just don’t make it that simple:
- Our population is heavily propagandized to accept fascist behavior and rhetoric as normal, or even patriotic
- People in lower socioeconomic neighborhoods/cities struggle to see much of a difference between the parties because they are often living under full time military-style occupation by their local police force, even when their local government is run by Democrats. The tactics ICE is using against middle class white protestors are not new. They’re just new to middle class white people
- A lot of people with multiple kids and jobs, especially in states controlled by Republicans, are not reasonably able to vote because they don’t have the time and their state/local governments go out of their way to make it difficult
But they didn’t, and she didn’t, so they weren’t.
If you go from abstaining to voting for Trump, then you’ve voted twice!
A lot of people wanted to vote but couldn’t because they were purged off of voter rolls.
Nope. Less than half voted for Trump. He didn’t even have a majority of people who cast a vote for president. And a third of the country isn’t eligible to vote due to age.
So just under 20% of Americans voted for him.
mercThe 40% that didn’t vote would probably have also broke 50/50 for Trump vs. Harris if they’d bothered to vote. But, most of them probably live in states like Massachusetts or Wyoming where one party’s lead is so huge that their vote really wouldn’t have had any effect.
Stop deflecting and trying to blame non-voters when the real problem is the people who voted for Trump.
I’m so sick of reading this type of comment. Trump got 49.8% of the vote. That means Harris and 3rd party voters combined were a majority of voters. And so many people are disenfranchised here for BS reasons that I’m sure Trump would have lost if all the people who wanted to vote were able to.
I understand why foreigners would have a lot of hate for America, but please try to focus that hate on our elites, who set the rules for our sham democracy, propagandize the shit out of us via ownership of most of our media, and are responsible for our Imperialist crimes.
The average American gets virtually no say in what our government does to us or to the rest of the world.
68% voted for Trump.
I assume you’re counting the non votes as votes for Trump. Disingenuous at best.
Yep, since that’s what they were.
Unless we’re criticizing third party voters, of course.
It’s absolutely not disingenuous. It’s what happened.
otterNot to mention that these “elites” don’t respect borders, so properly identifying them as the issue and fixing it so they lose power/influence in your country, could have cascade effects, even in the originating country.
Because if you think America is isolated in our shitty politics, every other citizen from other countries are going to have a rude awakening when the technocrats/oligarchs have ruined or grow bored of the US and move on to ruin your country (see Venezuela, Palestine, or any country that signed a free trade agreement with us that are now getting hit with tariffs).
Their class solidarity is international, and so must ours be.
Agreed
“If you count third party candidates who have absolutely no hope of winning, it turns out that Trump didn’t win the popular vote in 2024. Sure, more people voted for him than voted for the perfectly normal democratic candidate, but if you add her votes to the votes for the Green party candidate, the Libertarian Party candidate, the Socialism and Liberation party candidate, and RFK Jr. Combined, they all got very slightly more votes than Trump. So, America isn’t cooked.”
So, America isn’t cooked.
No, it’s only very slightly almost cooked. Nice.
I guess murican politics are fucked up (no news there), otherwise maybe the barely majority could’ve banded up and formed a government. Happened in Portugal a while back when the right was elected but had a minority, so the left got together and formed government instead.
There are no institutional mechanisms in American politics to make that happen. We don’t have a parliamentary system. (I wish we did).
Matty RosesThis pretends that Harris wasn’t a ghoul as well. See Gaza, immigration, militarism, etc.
America is a one party state, and in their typical extravagance, has two of them.
So don’t vote?
No US president is a saint, you might as well choose the ghoul you can at least have rational talks with.
The Democratic platform is irrational as well is the problem.
try to focus that hate on our elites
“The Epstein Class”
63% of US population voted. Less than half of that group voted for Harris. That means at least 68.5% (but really more) either did not vote for Harris to mitigate the risk of Trump or actively choose to vote for him.
Fuck them all. 31.5% of the population is worth a shit. And even then some of them are anti-socialist libs… so I don’t even like all of them either.
Also Georgia found evidence that musk rigged it.
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