breakfastmtn‘I Genuinely Am Upset That Your Kids Are Vaccinated’
https://piefed.ca/c/news/p/548748/i-genuinely-am-upset-that-your-kids-are-vaccinated
FuglyDuckthis guy belongs in some sort of highly controlled environment. Either prison or a secure psychiatric facility. I’m not sure which.
rants_unnecessarilySchool. They belong in school.
The guy saying he wants to get his children sick with multiple horrific diseases does not belong in school.
He is contemplating child abuse. Good public schools might have prevented all this, but he’s a grown ass man and at a certain point, it’s no longer his shitty education’s fault.
Is a re-education camp a bad idea?
Might want to google that term.
As used by most regimes that use the term… yes. Yes it is.
Vietnam after the war “reeducating” south vietnamese leaders, for example.
Or china “reeducating” Uhgyurs “through labor”
Plenty of other instances of genocide that fell under the same idea- Canada’s residential school system comes to mind.
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Snot FlickermanIt was always there, the internet just gave them leverage to find each other and make professional sounding networks of absolutely rock stupid fucking people.
It’s honestly the biggest downside of the internet.
Because pro-asbestos and anti-seatbelt people existed, but they didn’t have megaphones to reach the whole world.
vaultdweller013Yeah you start to see this stupidity increase in size with every major information transmission breakthrough. A lot of these people would probably be hit with a big stick for being stupid and causing problems historically.
Because pro-asbestos and anti-seatbelt people existed, but they didn’t have megaphones to reach the whole world.
Here’s the question: Idiots and wise people both have this megaphone to reach the world. Why do the idiots seem to succeed much more often?
Because most people, even including people who aren’t complete idiots, want to be told what they want to hear more than they want to be faced with hard truths. Simple as.
For the same reason people think Kent Hovind and Ben Shapiro are smart, it takes time and energy to explain why someone is wrong whereas the claim that oneself is right takes less energy. Compare say a Miniminuteman or Stefan Milo to the average pseudoscience video, the pseudoscience video can throw out 20 claims in the time it takes for someone to explain something that is actually correct.
Also the natural social defenses against this type of shit are effectively bypassed by the ability for idiots to communicate and propagate their ideas. Historically communities had the learned, the experienced, and the wise who could generally call bullshit or otherwise deal with the problem directly, nowadays shaming, beating, and killing are notable less effective.
A reminder that the human brain has not changed since modern humans emerged about 300,000 years ago.
Think about what that means.
The people who spent millennia throwing rocks at the moon, drawing stick figures on walls and hunting mammoths with pointy sticks? That’s just us. That is exactly what we would be doing in that time and place. The people that burned witches? That is us too. Those people had the exact same capacity for intelligence, compassion, and reason as we do.
What I am saying is that the capacity for human stupidity is boundless. It is our intelligence and civilization that defies our nature. We can always be dumber. We might not be able to get any smarter.
There’s this weird phenomenon that people tend to think those in the past were less intelligent than now, when really it was history being spun a certain way. For example: the witch burning thing, most people accusing witches, etc didn’t actually believe that shit. Its coming to light in modern times, that they realized they could grab land and money by accusing vulnerable people, and then just taking their land when they couldn’t defend themselves against a confession under torture.
Keep in mind all the advancements and progress humans have made in mathemathics and sciences over the last few thousand years. Those people weren’t stupid, if they were doing stupid things, its probably because they were evil (like burning witches for their own financial gain)
CharlesDarwinFor example: the witch burning thing, most people accusing witches, etc didn’t actually believe that shit. Its coming to light in modern times, that they realized they could grab land and money by accusing vulnerable people, and then just taking their land when they couldn’t defend themselves against a confession under torture.
Sounds like the people running today’s megachurches. They might not actually believe any of what they are spinning, as long as the rubes are giving them enough money to keep them farting through silk and flying around in private jets (and probably some hookers and blow on the DL, I bet, too).
HellsBelleA reminder that the human brain has not changed since modern humans emerged about 300,000 years ago.
It has changed in shape but not in size. Source
Always a good thing to check the data before posting.
xepRecent studies suggrst our brains have shrunk:
www.frontiersin.org/journals/…/full
That theory has been challenged.
Discussion
DeSilva et al. (2021) propose that human brain size has decreased, and offer innovative reasons why this may be so, primarily focusing on a model of “group level cognition.” Our analysis of these data fails to find a decrease in human brain size over the last few thousands of years. When the large sample sizes of the most recent human samples are adjusted for, the pattern disappears, and the arguments no longer need to be invoked.
We argue that, when examining questions of micro-evolutionary change, the analysis and data need to be appropriate for the specific scale of that hypothesis. Further, the data need to be otherwise relevant for the hypothesis being tested (see Houle et al., 2011). Given that the adoption of agriculture and the transition to complex societies occurred in different times at different places, the samples need to be specific enough to test the hypothesis across different times and populations, which does not appear to be the case in this instance.
Frontiers | Did the transition to complex societies in the Holocene drive a reduction in brain size? A reassessment of the DeSilva et al. (2021) hypothesis
Encephalization has long been understood to be a key adaptation in the human lineage, and over the last four million years species attributed to Australopith...
At what point is it child abuse
The very minute they choose not to vax - that’s child abuse.
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HanrahanJFC, people like this are absolutely infuriating.
This is the problem with vaccines, they’ve been so successful that demagogues and morons exploit the fading memory of diseases to play on people’s ignorance and our fears from not understanding medicine and biology.
Same reason the US could bring back fascism. It’s easy for people who’ve never been touched by disease/war etc to believe it’s just always been like this. They don’t see the lives lost, the knowledge gained, or the lessons learned that gave them their privileges.
True, but as an older person who was growing up in the March of Dimes era (60s and 70s) when vaccines were considered a miracle of modern science and people were stopping Salk and Sabin in the streets, literally dropping to their knees on the sidewalk to thank them for their work on the polio vaccines (I’m not exaggerating), and we ALL personally knew either directly or indirectly someone with a cane or a limp or someone who had died of it, and were not at all distant from the recent springs and summers where one young person and then a couple others and then a few more would suddenly be sick before nightfall out of nowhere, and the still common long recoveries and iron lungs and the overwhelming dread of it all, where the fuck is my generation’s collective memory?
Hell, even Chuck McConnell is a walking polio survivor (as much as I hate to even think his name) and his own generation is not all dead yet. Where the fuck is their collective memory?
What you say is quite true, and I can even understand the ignorance of fascism to a degree from people far too young to remember or understand WWII, but not vaccines, not from my own generation and older.
The main reason lifespans were so short in the past was because so many kids died of disease that it pushed the avg lifespan down with it. I used to work to restore old cemeteries with my local historical society. I’d find family plots that would have 3-4 kids all dying within a few months of each other.
I’d find family plots that would have 3-4 kids all dying within a few months of each other.
Worse still, in places like New England, when one family member would die right after another – after another – after another – they’d attribute this to vampires, burning the bodies of the recently deceased to ensure they could not come back, and on occasion using some of the burnt bits as a “preventative” for the living to consume so as to not be taken themselves. It didn’t work.
It wasn’t until the late 19th century they finally figured out that tuberculosis (aka “consumption”) is a bacterial disease that is extremely communicable in tight quarters, and that the living who nursed the recently dead would naturally be next because it’s a disease they caught from nursing their own sick.
And even then a number of them held on to old beliefs, long after others had figured it out:
When rural Rhode Islanders moved west into Connecticut, locals perceived them as “uneducated” and “vicious”, which was partially due to the Rhode Islanders’ beliefs in vampirism. Newspapers were also sceptical, calling belief in vampirism an “old superstition” and a “curious idea”.
The only reason we are not now dealing with tuberculosis on a wide scale is because of – anti-vaxxers cover your eyes – vaccines, though it too is now coming back, and in drug-resistant forms.
I’m sure you already know all this working in old cemeteries, but I thought I’d mention it: superstition to fill in the blanks and address fear goes back as far as time immemorial.
TheTimeKnifeIts completely insane this isnt legally child abuse. These people are allowed to try and kill their children for a cult.
I think the fact that we pretty much crushed so many diseases via vaccines and other care in the 20th century that many forgot what it was like to live in the shadow of those diseases all the time. That lack of familiarity (the one thay spurred the acceptance of vaccines and treatment) is what is fueling this shit today.
You’re not wrong, but it’s not as long ago as you might have been led to believe.
Boomers and older GenXers are very familiar with polio, for example, because the Salk and Sabin vaccines did not come out until right around 1960. We all knew someone who’d had it, maybe even still had the evidence of it in a limp or a cane, or had died of it. Polio wasn’t the only disease, either: the 1968 influenza carried off a father of one of my friends, and he was only in his thirties. As a child I personally almost died from a reaction to the smallpox vaccine, and I still have a huge scar from it (way better than getting smallpox, though).
The Silent Generation had far worse than we did, and they’re not all dead yet.
So from where I’m sitting it’s not so much lack of personal familiarity as a willful forgetting aided by the skillful use of propaganda.
Meanwhile I dream of releasing GMO mosquitoes that detect disease and produce vaccines whether anyone likes it or not.