"cut and paste this into your command line" from random websites ALWAYS goes well. /s #cybersecurity

@ai6yr curl pipe to bash for the win!

@Viss Yeah, this is why I manually install any Linux projects instead of that if I can, I don't trust anyone's shell script to be clean!!

@ai6yr sooo muuuuuch stuuuuuf is installed that way. ruby, homebrew, rust, ai shit

@Viss @ai6yr you both have formal training in CS/coding right? Don't they cover best practices or is reality at most companies just get it done quick security problems are overblown?

@CliffsEsport @ai6yr ehm. i took pascal and borland c++ in highschool, but dropped out of college outright when they changed that shit to msvc++. went straight into sysadmin. taught myself perl on the job, then bash, then python. i have no official formal dev training and i dont call myself a dev. im ok in bash but python i always need a crutch and im barely functional

@CliffsEsport @ai6yr also, "best practices" is corpospeak for 'i dont actually know the answer so i copied my classmates homework', so its prolly not the actual best way to do stuff

@Viss @CliffsEsport LOL most schools don't cover best practices, that's way too practical.... Not sure on the state of the art, but traditionally, lots of theory and things like algorithms, etc. and precious little practical knowledge. For awhile everyone was only learning Java in school (which was terrible). Not sure what the language of the moment is....

@ai6yr @CliffsEsport yeah i bailed before they went to java and went sysadmin mode

@Viss @CliffsEsport Just did a quick search, depending on what school, C++ and python. So, they finally figured out Java sucks lol.

@ai6yr @CliffsEsport sheesh

@Viss @CliffsEsport I was finding people who (attempted) to learn how to program in Java could not program. The language was too cumbersome....

@ai6yr @CliffsEsport just the mechanics of making anything in java at all. such a fucking nightmare. and android is the same because its all fucking java under the hood

@Viss @ai6yr So as someone who only had the time/money/energy budget to get homelab going in last year what modern language do you recommend really learning? I understand enough of the basics of CS that I can piece together what I need to do for the little bits in past, but have been thinking C though think I'd prefer lower level personally.