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nescNo, because Hitler started second world war which resulted in 60-70 million deaths.
Boomer Humor DoomergodHitler and Nazi Germany have been lionized unlike the others because it makes the countries that beat them look better.
In reality they were stupid racist weirdos who were constantly infighting. But that doesn’t make beating them sound heroic.
real_squidsI wouldn’t call people who came up with the first production cruise missile stupid (or first production jet fighter). Don’t underestimate the enemy
Yes they were quite good at building targets for the RAF and British anti-air gunners. Nice and loud, slow, and flew in a perfectly straight line.
They also came up with the first ballistic missile but it killed more people in production than it did when deployed.
Half the designs from Paperclip were basically unusable, and mainly existed as fake projects to convince Hitler and later the Allies that they were worth keeping around.
Not to mention their obsession with wonder weapons wasted tons of material on things that just wouldn’t work. And how they never built a heavy bomber because they were obsessed with making it a dive bomber.
They were absolutely idiots, and the more I learn about them the stupider they get. They invaded Russia in the winter for Christ’s sake! They waited to tell Hitler about Normandy because it was too early in the morning! They’re so dumb!
Also; They’re not the enemy anymore because their dumbasses lost, so I can call them dumb.
I think one description that fits for them is “too smart for their own good.”
All that wasted manpower and resources and building massive tanks and incredibly intricate guns that never quite worked properly.
I think their true stupidity was their organization and leadership. A shitty plane or gun or tank would get made because the higher-ups wanted it.
And the fascist idea that competition will inevitably produce the best results - social/technical Darwinism, essentially - meant that the design team that could be pushier and flashier would win over actually good designs.
Plus they kicked out or imprisoned hundreds of great scientists because they were from undesirable classes, further hamstringing their technology.
Also; They’re not the enemy anymore because their dumbasses lost, so I can call them dumb.
I’m talking in general. Obv nazi germany hasn’t existed for a long time. It’s better to overestimate than underestimate imo
True, but that doesn’t explain why the History Channel made a bunch of breathless documentaries about the power of the Nazis fifty years after they were defeated
Aren’t those the same guys that love dipping into conspiracy territory when it’s late enough? Then the answer is money
You also have video games and movies and books making the Nazis out to be way more competent. It’s not like Wolfenstein ended with a drugged-up syphilitic Hitler cowering in a bunker, but a mecha-Hitler with Gatling guns.
And it made money because of what I mentioned: It made Americans and Brits and Russians feel like they’d defeated a huge monster, not a country full of amphetamines and vibes.
vaultdweller013Hey just gonna point out that invading Russia in the winter would actually be the second best season to do it, since Russia has 4 seasons spring (mud), summer, fall (mud), and winter (really cold) frankly speaking the mud is what fucked the Nazis over more than anything else since it bogged them down completely.
Napoleon was the one who basically got shit canned by the winter since modern logistics didn’t exist yet and the Russians destroyed all the food while in retreat allowing winter to finish off the attrition.
Yeah but you also have to send your troops winter weather gear, which those idiots didn’t do.
That is also true, was moreso pointing out that invading Russia in winter isn’t the dumbest thing to do. But yeah not giving your troops winter gear is braindead.
Hitler is the big evil no doubt about it. The allies was not innocent either many promised people from their colonies but never intended to respect it. If hitler did not declare war on them they would have let hitler exterminate the jews
Yes, that’s what ‘second world war’ means. Do you think it’s any different now with m*scovia?
The way the war was described was the perfect good caring allies was fighting the evil Hitler. Of course Hitler and the axis was the worse but the allies wasn’t good either.
One of the worse thing the allies did was en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
I’ve never argued that allies were *good* soviets hated jews as much as nazis, and killed people en masse for breathing wrong way.
of Europeans, that’s the point.
Churchill was responsible for the Bengal famine that kill up to 3.8 million civilians. but they weren’t white, so it is not taught in history
That’s a stupid and plainly wrong point.
Do you think that World War was limited to Europe?
according to My highschool education, mostly yes.
and that massacre was not the fault of Germany, but due to British policies.
There was quite a lot of fighting in Africa and Asia my dude…
I know, but that ain’t the problem. the problem is that western nations spent centuries doing to the colonial perifery what Hitler did to Europe. and those Europeans who fought Hitler, but treated their colonies with the same violence Hitler displayed are considered heroes.
Hmm yes accidentally contributing to a famine of 3.8 million casualties because of wartime shortages is comparable to the 60 to 70 million attributed to the guy that fucking started the war in the first place and also systematically executed 6 million of his own citizens and of neighboring countries and enslaved millions more.
Look I’m sure Churchill was a right wanker but the specific cultural ethnicities of dead people is not why Hitler is demonized more than him.
All Hitler did was apply European colonialism to Europe. not that different than what Europe was doing for centuries. that is a fact. Europe wasn’t a group of good guys until bad Germany appeared. they were all busy with that colonial bullshit.
Are you telling me that the European led ethnic cleansing of the the Americas for territorial expansion isn’t lebensraum?
I’m am definitely not trying to push nazi appologia by saying “they were all bad”, just that we can’t ignore the horrors those allied nations committeed as well. Hitler imported a lot of his racism from the US. it’s always nations fucking the world, making the people suffer, then the victors painting themselves as heroes and beacons of civilization.
Noah SneddenNot to mention inventing a new kind of war crime, genocide. (Or at least being the main inspiration for the term)