> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
Social media has also helped incredible amounts of people though. It's allowed marginalized minorities to find people like them. It's allowed people to organize against oppressive governments.
It's also curated local events and increased turnout and access to so many things for so many people.
We can say "burn it to the ground" and part of me wants to agree, but... It would harm a lot of people too.
@CordiallyChloe @osma @neil Ban capitalist social media(*) and everyone migrates to the fediverse or what comes next.
(*) defined as all the aspects that make it profitable
@CordiallyChloe @osma @neil The point is that "ban capitalist social media" is a demand our side can rally behind.
Unlike "ban social media" which is intentionally divisive and fucks over everyone who depends on it for a lifeline, or "ban kids from the internet" which largely does the same and also suppresses participation by anyone who can't safely show ID and serves the interests of fascism and surveillance capitalism.
I won't rally behind "ban social media."
It includes places like Mastodon. This is still social media.
It would push out new start-ups bc they'd be unable to keep up with legislative requirements.
It would prevent LGBTQ people from accessing critical information and communities.
It would fracture organizations and groups that need it to survive.
Even if your argument is that we should be "negotiating high," it's still not a negotiation anyone will team up behind.
Try "ban hate speech" and negotiate down to "ban profit-driven algorithmic hate."
@CordiallyChloe @osma @neil I explicitly said to reject "ban social media".
Rather "ban CAPITALIST social media".
If you don't like that wording, "ban monetization of peoples social interactions and networks". "Ban addiction-optimization feeds". Etc. The wording isn't the topic here. The concept is.
But "capitalist" isn't defined in any of our law. It's not something that can be banned effectively.
You're acting like you can just throw a word at the wall and make everyone act on it appropriately. It's like the whole "socialism is a good thing actually" argument. And then you get people from actual socialist countries who are like "no the fuck it is not." Like, the definition and the reality/application of it are two totally different things.
So sure, ban capitalist social media. Cool. We still lose Mastodon because someone is probably making money off it somewhere.
@CordiallyChloe @osma @neil *Sigh* I have already explained that you need to sit down and define a specific set of characteristics that "capitalist social media" depends on to be profitable. Banning a big enough subset of those to break them is then your concrete policy demand.
"Ban capitalist social media" is the goal you're trying to achieve with these policy demands, the motive for your supporters to support them.
@dalias @CordiallyChloe @osma @neil For example, a ban on collecting or using personal data for marketing purposes and on selling it for any purpose?
With the bonus of helping the rest of the web too.
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