BeepLibreOffice Leave X/Twitter in favor of Mastodon
harmbuglerGive them a follow at @[email protected] to show them support!
I’m not sure if it’s Lemmy or my client (Jerboa) but when I tap on that link I don’t get their real Mastodon profile. I get something that looks legit, but it has minimal details and only one post from 9 months ago??
does anyone know why fosstodon seems to be blocked on piefed.social?
N.E.P.T.RThat’s unfortunate. I understand the admin’s perspective, but most users, myself included, are likely in the dark about these backend issues. It’s frustrating to have barriers to following people in an already small community. Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation? If anyone knows of a less regulated piefed instance, I’m all ears.
railway692Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation?
Barriers to following people isn’t a federation problem, it’s an instance mismatch problem.
When you can’t follow the people you want on Twitter, (because they were banned), that’s an instance mismatch. Your preferences don’t align with Twitter’s. The difference is there is only one instance. You can’t switch to a different Twitter where those people aren’t blocked.
On Fedi, you can choose an instance that blocks and federates according to your preference. And if you can’t find one (unlikely for most users), you can host your own.
If you just want Piefed instances with less regulation, these appear to have the fewest number of blocks:
ageedizzleAs far as I can tell piefed.ca seems to be less regulated than piefed.social
Is this just the inevitable tradeoff of federation? If anyone knows of a less regulated piefed instance, I’m all ears.
it’s a tradeoff you’re choosing to accept by using piefed; it literally had other fediverse instances blocking hard coded in its source.
i hate letting anyone decide who i can and can’t talk to so i chose instances with minimal blocking set by default and you might want to consider it if letting others decide for you is causing you this sort of consternation.
Meldrik
RimuPieFed.social has not intentionally defederated from fosstodon - piefed.social automatically defederates from any instance that lemmy.world or mastodon.social defederates from. That way I don’t need to keep up with the latest fedi drama and just trust those admin teams to.
In this case, it’s lemmy.world.
I’ll ask around and see what the latest on fosstodon is and see if lemmy.world wants to federate with them again.
Good news. The old fosstodon admins resigned and they have a new team and a good code of conduct.
I have added new functionality to PieFed so it’s now possible to override an automatically imported defederation and now piefed.social federates with fosstodon.org.
This is what federation actually is. Admins investing their free time to make people happy instead of money driven moderation which is not able to stop e.g. human trafficking.
Thanks for your work @[email protected] !
Facebook has known it has a human trafficking problem for years. It still hasn’t fully fixed it
Facebook has for years struggled to crack down on content related to what it calls domestic servitude: “a form of trafficking of people for the purpose of working inside private homes through the use of force, fraud, coercion or deception,” according to internal Facebook documents reviewed by CNN.
Gina
Zerush
EveryMuffinIsNowEncryptedI believe it was merely a typo.
John Mastrodonmus
Long, long, long overdue, but hooray for them finally getting there.
sp3ctre
thingsiplayLibreofficedoes, what Nintendon’t.
Lemmy original pun without a license? I now declare it GPL. Anyone can contribute no matter how small.
Libredoffices, what Nintendon’t.
For those considering, always remember that you don’t have to „move“, but can simply use the platforms in parallel. It’s a good compromise if leaving your network feels too heavy.
RamenJunkieYes but also leave the Nazi bar. Use Bluesky as your “active network” if you need one.
I’m still flabergasted by the fediverse sometimes. I search for libreoffice in my mastodon client and one of the results is “[email protected]” and even a peertube instance.
You have to understand that federation doesn’t happen instantly. Your server has to sync with the other instances before you can find the account you’re looking for.
Stuff like this is why Bluesky is more popular than Mastodon. We need to find a way to fix these little quirks if we are serious about growing the fediverse
Not always… making things too convenient brought us where we are today: a lot of people are stupid and don’t understand simple things. Call me old school, but I prefer to have things move slower and make people try to understang how technologies work, not feed them everything directly!
I like learning new tech too, but if we’re being realistic then we have to admit that the fediverse will not grow unless we spoon feed it to people. Maybe we don’t want it to grow that much. That’s a conversation we could have. But we should acknowledge that there are tradeoffs here
If the mastodon instance you are on doesn’t know about LibreOffice’s account, then it won’t show. You will have to search for their handle/username like this: @[email protected]
This is mostly a problem on smaller instances. The bigger an instance is, the more connections to other instances it has.
Oh thanks, but I did find the correct account. Just also thing I wouldn’t expect, like lemmy. But in hindsight it’s obvious because of how the fediverse works. It was just a fun reminder of how cool the concept of federlization is.
Amazing to see Mastodon instead of Bluesky there ! Too many people falling for the Bluesky trap…
oh_Tbh I am on Bluesky more than Mastodon. Bluesky just feels easier to use. Normal users don’t care about federation. They want the app to work easily for them. Mastodon requires a bit to get a good feed etc. Bluesky you can be lazy. Wish Mastodon had like a default “what’s hot” or “Discover” feed. Really helps find people to follow as well.
Ease of use is one of the failings of the federation that needs to be addressed or it will never have a larger pool of users.
Open source content serving algorithms? We’d need to classify the content and have a server that recommends based on the algorithm. Also, user tracking to some degree (but maybe that can be handled locally?)
I think a simple ‘popular’ or ‘trending’ feed wouldn’t need user tracking. Or if it was really needed to be customized maybe users could opt into share what topics they are interested in when they sign up
I don’t see how it couldn’t theoretically be done on the user’s end with the right client. Choose a certain feed and the client takes the information shared in the incoming post data like the title, description, community, vote count, and instance. Then isolates each post, classifies it, ranks it based on user preferences stored locally like upvote and downvote history, and the client then chooses the order of posts to show to the user. And if you wanted to go there you could even have a local simple machine learning model creating descriptions of image posts to cover everything.
Granted I actually know nothing about programming, but I don’t think you’d actually be processing that much data if you kept the algorithm simple. All it actually has to do is just choose a ranking based on metrics and keywords and assigned values. It also doesn’t have to achieve maximum retention or have single digit millisecond load time, it just has to give people a customized experience.
The problem is that all this overhead and maintenance would require some form of monetization, like injecting ads into the feed. Something like that has almost no demand right now, because the options we have for sorting are good enough and the people who want custom algorithms don’t know what federation means and aren’t paying. And honestly I think it might be better without it, because personally I don’t want lemmy to go mainstream and am happy with where it is now. I sort by top of the day in All, which basically crowdsources ranking anyways.
But can it really be addressed? Centralized systems will probably always be easier to use. For example, if you want to follow a lemmy community, it will be community@somewhere instead of just the community name, and it will be possible to have competing communities with the same same but different servers. This will always leave people confused, and it’s something inherent to the federated model
Actually deltachat as a federated chatclient feels nearly as easy as signal. Just login to mail account, done.
Just one setting right now really annoys me: You see all the mails in the inbox. I don’t know why that is not turned off as default.
I don’t think that ease of use is the problem. The problem is, people want an exact copy. Most people don’t like changes, they just hope that the alternative is the same, just without the issues they leaving it. Same expectations for GIMP and Linux operating systems… (for the normie at least).
garretbleThe last couple updates made it easier to access the trending feed (which afaik has existed since 2021) and added features like quote posts. Bluesky starter packs and custom shareable feeds are definitely its major perks.
The odds though bluesky will get bought up by right wing billionaires in the next 10 years is almost 100% unless there’s a major change in media management laws so don’t get too attached to bluesky after like trump jr buys it with his crypto bribes.
leadoreYeah, I’m surprised how many go to Bluesky. It’s just Twitter all over again, controlled by a single company.
Dessalines
nightm4reI think they do actually want Twitter again though. Admittedly, what Twitter used to be was still much better than what it is now.