return2ozmaScoop: Dems working on secret report found Gaza cost Harris votes
TropicalDingdongThe report: everything we were screaming into the void from 2023 till 2024.
The report is moot other than the fact they trying to bury it because anyone with two twigs to run together knows the answer, knew it before it happened, knew it while it was happening, and knows it now.
Trump was easily beatable in 2024 and Dems blew it at every turn.
You want to see the roadmap for beating Trump?
Sort c/politics by controversial and read the top five threads of comments.
It’s all there in black and white, in no uncertain terms. And the shitlibs who insisted we take the worst strategy turns possible (and advocating for them in those threads)…they mostly jumped ship (santanko and squid being notable examples).
It’s also worth nothing how many voices who go their analysis at the time basically correct at the time it would have mattered, how many of them are banned from politics as a whole. There was a clear moderation effort made to cultivate a specific type of conversation here.
LemmyBruceLeeMarvinIf genocide isn’t a red line then there are no red lines, every lib that voted for blue no matter who should be in the Hague along with the rest of the murderers
KoboldCoterieWell, I suppose you’re welcome to your opinion, even if it’s an absolutely horrid one.
Youve convinced me. Voting FOR genocide was probably the best solution
Ah, yes. Because that’s the most objectionable part of that opinion, not ‘We should jail people for their voting behavior’. Can you get any more authoritarian?
Edit: But sure, if that’s where we’re going, I’ll bite:
It was a two party race. There were no other viable candidates. You didn’t vote against Trump in any meaningful way; you did nothing to prevent our current situation, and that’s a pretty wild stance to be defending.
no other viable candidates
But there were other candidates that I actually like. Claudia de la Cruz, for instance.
All your candidate would do is kick the can down the road for a few years before “the most important election of OUR ENTIRE LIVES” happens again. I’d like to vote for someone I actually support before I inevitably get my throat slit by some SS whackjob, you know?
She wasn’t “my” candidate, any more than Donald Trump was “your” candidate. I voted against Donald Trump. Folks who voted third party didn’t do that. They may not have voted for him, but they didn’t vote against him.
If Kamala Harris wasn’t against the genocide, a vote for Kamala wasn’t a vote against Trump, or fascism or anything else.
Kamala wasn’t going to win while supporting the genocide. Period. It’s not a debate. Voting for her wasn’t a vote against Trump because with her holding that stance, she couldn’t beat Trump (which is objective reality:she didn’t beat Trump).
So, instead of ‘not voting for genocide’ you voted for ‘genocide and the complete destruction of your own country, too, as well as international destabilization, giving foreign actors free reign to your country’s classified information, and removing healthcare and vaccine mandates so that millions more will suffer and die.’
Damn, you saved the world
You have a mental disorder. There’s no other words for it at this point.
We’re talking about structural issues with how elections work and what it takes to win them, and you keep trying to insist its about the individual choices of individual commenters on an obscure social media platform. Its literally fucking maddening.
But thankfully, no one is taking you or your side seriously anymore.
No, you’re right that there are horrific issues with the way the electoral college is set up and how the voting system works. First Past the Post is a joke.
What makes you insufferable and an obvious moron is acting like not voting or voting third party in the last election was some moral highground and made everything better when in reality: no it didn’t. There need to be sweeping changes in the electoral systems, absolutely, but not voting for Harris was just giving Hitler2 a better chance of winning and if you can’t comprehend that, you’ve damaged your brain by huffing your own farts too much
You are literally projecting shit I’ve never said and arguing against it. You are litterally arguing against shit that has only happened in your imagination. That’s a mental disorder.
I’m making a narrow, positivist case for what Harris needed to do to win the election. Democrats DID NOT NEED TO LOSE THE ELECTION!! That’s the entire fucking point, and that blaming voters contributed to Democratic defeat, and continues to undermine Democrats ability to win elections.
I don’t give a FUCK that you find the fact that you are fundamentally wrong in your understanding of what elections are insufferable. If you are blaming voters, you are the fucking problem.
CileTheSaneWe’re talking about structural issues with how elections work and what it takes to win them, and you keep trying to insist its about the individual choices of individual commenters on an obscure social media platform. Its literally fucking maddening.
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every lib that voted for blue no matter who should be in the Hague along with the rest of the murderers