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Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 21

Turns out Codex is just as proficient at writing for the Windows App SDK, so I jumpstarted it with the existing unfinished UWP version of Pastel, and, like before, pointed it at the existing Swift codebase to begin porting it piece by piece to Windows 11. This is by no means a one-shot, I am slowly and methodically recreating the functionality of the Mac app.

Of course, there is no native version of Codex for Windows, so I'm running the Linux version under WSL, and Visual Studio 2022 to compile

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 21

Light Mode | Dark Mode

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 21

Watching Codex recreate in seconds things that took me months, maybe even years, to implement the way I wanted 🥲

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 21

We are actually deeply cooked

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

Just ploughing through this Windows port, with some pretty complex bespoke UI

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

Editing flow; you don't even have to squint to see how a finished app might work. Something that I would have had to take months to build at the expense of the iOS version, done in a night's free time after a full workday doing more-productive things. I always wanted to finish Pastel on Windows, but I had reluctantly accepted that I could never invest that kind of time — save for some kind of catastrophe that left me excluded from the Apple ecosystem. Now? Trivial.

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

⭐️ Some more shots of all the working aspects of this Pastel for Windows project, using .NET 8.0 and the Windows App SDK (and Community Toolkit), ported from the iOS codebase and my original UWP prototype by OpenAI's Codex 5.3.

It's not a full app yet, but it's dangerously close.

It's hard not to think that agentic programming, or agentic porting, could have outright saved Windows Phone, had this all been possible a decade ago

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

It's only when you start trying to use a UI framework that you realize all the little things that are missing — like Windows' grid view doesn't have a drag-select API, it all has to be done custom. Or like how its alert boxes have no way of indicating a destructive item

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

When you search for Microsoft's Fluent design docs for Windows apps, you get a 404 on Microsoft's main site 🤡

You have to really know where to look to find them again, and they're buried as the last option (behind Web, iOS, and Android) on their design site

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

I'm pretty familiar with the .NET/XAML app building process; all my apps were ported to Windows Phone 7, then migrated to Windows Phone 8, Windows 8 and UWP, and I know my way around Visual Studio and the publishing system. I've even been through WinObjC for aborted ports of some of my apps. I'm familiar with the APIs, pitfalls, the 3P libs.

I won't pretend that somebody with zero experience would be able to just drop themselves in to Codex and easily build something like Pastel (but I hope so)

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

I updated my copy of Visual Studio and now 'GitHub Copilot Chat' is the first tab in the project explorer, replacing the project file list ('solution explorer') 🤡

Yeah no thanks

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

Drag and drop reordering, drag and drop colors into palettes.

This kind of (Mac-like?) behavior is not common to Windows at all. I am pleasantly surprised at how robust the Windows App SDK is, considering nobody in their right mind is building apps this way outside of Microsoft 🤪

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

Renaming a new palette, opening it in a new window, adding it to a collection, and navigating around the app

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

Codex has no problem going deep into the weeds implementing things I would never have had the faintest idea how to begin, like this eyedropper button that calls into Win32, captures the screen and steals mouse events, and creates a mouse-tracking overlay crosshair window with GDI+, a task far outside the bounds of most WinUI apps. In minutes, without complaint.

This particular behavior is built-in on macOS, but not on Windows, so it all has to be done from scratch

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

This Windows version of Pastel is just under 10K lines of code (C# & XAML) so far. It doesn't yet persist its data model to disk, or sync, it doesn't have the color systems UI, it doesn't import pictures yet, and it doesn't generate wallpapers or widgets. Still plenty to do, but it's rapidly becoming a real app. I'm already very proud of it, and it's been kinda fun trying to pull off a level of polish that Windows apps tend not to see

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

I'm kinda surprised Microsoft, who has been all-in on this stuff for two years with Copilot (and, now, Claude), doesn't have a whole app store full of beautiful first-party native apps already. If *I* (a dummy) can do this in a day, what can a platform expert working full-time at Microsoft do?

@stroughtonsmith I‘m currently making @inyourface for Windows as a native app. Coming from the Apple ecosystem, the dev experience on Microsoft is certainly „interesting.“ For example, it took me about 3 months, several calls with support agents and a lot of headaches to get a fully verified developer account.

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

@martinhoeller @inyourface oof. I went through it back in… 2012? …and I think it involved sending faxes

Steve Troughton-Smith Feb 22

@martinhoeller @inyourface (though BlackBerry was the worst; they required me to go to a notary)

Martin Höller Feb 22

@stroughtonsmith @inyourface 😬 no faxing for me. The biggest blockers were: Need to use Edge browser to use MS Partner Center and they require the email address you provide to be of the same domain as the business website you fill into the form. But of course they don't have proper form validation or error messages. This took several rounds with MS support, down to their tech team. In the end I figured it out myself.