abadidearefusing to use LLMs: not purity culture
wanting to disenfranchise and dehumanize everyone who’s ever used an LLM for any reason: yes purity culture, jesus christ you’re one missed coffee from doing a terrorism
StoneBear 
@0xabad1dea I just want to disenfranchise and dehumanise *LLMS*... and maybe disenfranchise (but not dehumanise) the fat cats that made them and inflicted them on the world. Lies and especially theft at that scale is a crime against humanity. ...
mjdxp@0xabad1dea LLMs can be genuinely useful sometimes, mainly because all search engines have become nothing but SEO garbage where most of the top results don't actually answer your question. you do need to be able to question if the information is actually correct though. it's also usually not worth accelerating the death of the planet for, but i guess that's just something we gotta deal with so billionaires can keep their investors happy (god i hate society)
Josh Jersild@mjdxp @0xabad1dea "we broke a good thing and then made a worse thing that's only ~maybe~ better than the thing we left broken because we broke it" really sucks and it's *so much of tech* right now
Ryan1729@mjdxp @0xabad1dea SEO garbage is a real problem, but I don't think something that is capable of making up plausible sounding text, that is disconnected from reality, is the best solution.
I'd much prefer something that only ever surfaced text that has a known, live source I can check, both to be sure it is actually there, and to check the surrounding context.
Feels like LLMs are crowding out better solutions to some problems.
kasia 
@mjdxp @0xabad1dea Unfortunately, the whole reason why LLMs are somewhat useful in the first place is that we've destroyed search engines. We've destroyed a solution to a problem, only to provide a solution that sets our planet on fire in the process and is fundamentally created through plagiarism
LisPi@nullenvk @0xabad1dea @mjdxp And more importantly, said "solution" is less reliable and effective than search-engines used to be.
V For Viennetta@0xabad1dea Yeah I can’t stand LLMs and don’t use them but a lot of antis have a real religious fervour to them that’s very offputting
Radomír Žemlička@0xabad1dea I see this mentioned all around fedi, but nobody cares to mention who this is about. So, who is this about? 😅
Lesley Lai@0xabad1dea Yeah. Many people are practically forced to use LLMs by employers nowadays, and putting blames to them really is jerk move.
And I won't blame most people who voluntarily uses LLM either, including those who sent me slops and waste my time. I don't think I can blame a systematic problem on individuals who just tries to survive
@0xabad1dea Related: there is a Chinese idioms called "严以律己，宽以待人" (hold strict standards to yourself but be forgiving to others)
luna (headpat me!!!)
Gina W@0xabad1dea this needed saying. I think it is going to continue to need saying for a while unfortunately
zivi@0xabad1dea if yelling at idiots who legitimize slop machines is purity culture so be it i won’t stop doing it
Luci ☯⚛@zaire @0xabad1dea I've got some thoughts on this that you may not like to hear and that might be upsetting but it would matter to me if you could try to entertain my perspective
- I think using the word idiot this way is ableist and saneist
- What do you hope to gain out of shaming working class consumers (including beings who can't/don't work for reasons other than excess privilege)? I don't really believe that being shamed inspires true change in beings. It sure never did when my biological parents tried that strategy on me, and only did damage and made me feel alienated and isolated without changing how I actually felt about things.
@quantumsys @0xabad1dea what word should i use that’s not ableist or saneist? to call slop advocates fash wouldn’t be quite right
and you’d need to clarify how exactly “shaming working class consumers” relates to my point
@quantumsys @0xabad1dea look sometimes beings are too far gone for me to bother engaging in good faith and arguing the same points over and over again when i know it won’t go anywhere. my energy for doing that is finite. so in such cases my response to [insert non-saneist word here]s doing apologism for fash is going to lack any kindness, and i think that’s quite reasonable. when i know i can’t inspire change in them, i can at least yell a little to give myself and those on my side of the discourse an affirmation.
@zaire @0xabad1dea See, I thought we were talking about "everyone who’s ever used an LLM for any reason", as per OP, rather than just people who are "too far gone". As for a non-discriminatory way to refer to them, how about sloppers? That encapsulates what you actually mean without borrowing from discrimination of people based on factors they can't really influence, such as (perceived) intelligence, ability, or mental health.
OP feels like it’s implying a general claim that calling people out on using unethical tech is wrong, which is a bad and annoying albeit frequent take, might’ve misinterpreted that
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I find the vibe of "more human labor is a virtue" among said group to be quite off putting. We can argue if this tool means less human labor or not, but "less people having to work is bad" is just a shocking position from people who are not on the political right.
Sam Vines@0xabad1dea
> one missed coffee from doing a terrorism
I know this was intended as a bad thing but mind of want this on a t-shirt (in jest)
> one missed coffee from doing a terrorism
I know this was intended as a bad thing but mind of want this on a t-shirt (in jest)
狐ヴィクシー@0xabad1dea I don't dehumanize people but I wanna do a terrorism on AI datacenters. 
Sailor Pallas100%
Also. There's clearly a distinction between the AI booster that uses LLM on their on volition and promotes their use and the worker that see themself forced to use them by their employers.
I've seen people getting insulted and shouted at when they had made it pretty clear that they were been pushed to use them by the companies they worked for and they didn't even supported their use.
Shouting at a worker because they are forced to use technology made to exploit them is not a good look.
Maypop the Dragon@0xabad1dea i used an llm once to try to create a name for something. i ended up scrapping the thing that needed the name though. other than that, mostly to figure out how to trick them. at this point i refuse to send a single prompt to one if i can help it. (i didn't Know yet.)