Cassandra is only carbon nowFeb 20
No, opposing LLMs isn't "purity culture." I've seen this now from quite a few different people, and I disagree vehemently. It is good, actually, to have moral principles and hold to them, even when people with more money than you find said principles annoying.
Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowFeb 20

Hell, if you disagree with me and think I'm wrong on the merits, then by all means make that argument! (Preferably not in my mentions, I'm tired of this whole debacle and am not personally open to changing my mind on LLMs right now.)

But "purity culture" isn't an argument, it's an appeal to the idea that holding principles is *bad*.

Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowFeb 20
(What do I mean when I say I'm not open to changing my mind on the issue at the moment? I mean that when I've tried to be open minded, I get flooded with bad-faith bullshit and outright propaganda. My being closed-minded here is a temporary and reasoned position about conserving my own energies, and not letting people DDoS my rationality. I don't think that the Discourseâ„¢ around LLMs is *currently* at a place where opposition to boosterism benefits from open-mindedness.)
Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowFeb 20
I wouldn't be saying all this if it was just Doctorow, I'm even fine disagreeing with people I deeply respect. But he's not the only one saying shit like this, and I think it's worth calling out the broader rhetorical point.
Show threadAsta [AMP]Feb 20
@xgranade guessing I missed something Doctorow said... and it sounds like I'm glad I did, because I like that my eyes have not currently rage melted out of my skull.
Show threadDave AlvaradoFeb 20
@aud @xgranade you should probably skip this one. White man in tech said white man in tech shit in a very "never meet your role models" kind of way.
Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowFeb 20

@dave @aud I'm not personally sure I'd go quite that far. Someone I respect said something I vehemently disagree with, it happens. I don't think it'd be reasonable of me to insist that my heroes, as it were, agree with me on even all the important things.

I'm only being as pointed with the above because what he said is *also* something a lot of far worse people have said, and now they have more ammo.

Show threadAsta [AMP]Feb 20
@xgranade @dave it would be really nice if highly visible people quit it with the, "you know, you gotta hand it to the nazis on this one..."
Show threadAsta [AMP]Feb 20
@xgranade @dave also: imagine, if you will, using the term "purity culture" to refer to people (including many LGBTQ people) taking a stand against one of the major tools of christofascists

ffs
Show threadDave AlvaradoFeb 20
@aud @xgranade *hands Audrey some eye wash*
Show threadAsta [AMP]
@dave @xgranade gonna need "eye socket" wash at this rate for the empty spaces where my rage melted eyeballs once existed đŸ˜‚
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