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'We Thought It Would Be Fun': Nintendo Has a Whole FAQ on Why It's Selling Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Separately for $20 Each - IGN

https://piefed.ca/c/games/p/539440/we-thought-it-would-be-fun-nintendo-has-a-whole-faq-on-why-it-s-selling-pokemon-firered-and

'We Thought It Would Be Fun': Nintendo Has a Whole FAQ on Why It's Selling Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Separately for $20 Each - IGN

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Feb 20 at 6:33pmWeb
Show threadGoodlucksilFeb 20
You ain’t going to jail for downloading a GBA game. And it is much cheaper than 20 dollars (except if you really want to play it on a switch for some reason)
Show threadLemmyEntertainYouFeb 20
Even if you really want to play on Switch there are CFW options that enable GBA emulation.
Show threadGoodlucksilFeb 21
Yeah but those require either an specific type of Switch or a modchip (which does cost a little AND requires soldering)
Show threadMarshezezzFeb 20
Nintendo thinks their customers are fucking dumb morons
Show threadSoulphiteFeb 20

Well… I mean, do you remember the height of Pokémon Go?

A 2017 study estimated that in the first 148 days following its July 2016 launch, Pokémon Go was linked to 256 traffic-related deaths and over 100,000 accidents in the US due to distracted driving. These incidents, caused by users playing while driving or walking, also led to significant injuries and billions in economic damages.

Show threadRhynoplazFeb 20

I remember when there wasn’t much more to worry about besides a surge of people going outside with their phones.

Those were the days.

Show threadMajinBlayzeFeb 20
Pokemon go to the polls
Show threadZahille7Feb 20
At least they added the speedometer so if you go too fast the game doesn’t work.
Show threadNurse_RobotFeb 20
Made playing the game on public transit impossible though :/
Show threadZahille7Feb 20
Or as a passenger in a car
Show threadProve_your_argumentFeb 20

As much as I think nintendo and the pokemon company are evil shits, I do believe overall pokemon go was net positive for humanity.

The physical health benefit from all those people walking around, and the mental health benefits from said populations being more social and friendly with others won’t ever show a statistic for lives saved, but I think it’s reasonable to assume lives will be saved from extra exercise and positive social interactions.

Show threadalekwithakFeb 20
I do agree, but it’s too bad they ran both that game and the goodwill generated by it into the ground.
Show threadfuckwit_mcbumcrumbleFeb 20
Yes, yes they do. And many are considering that they’re doing this.
Show threadZahille7Feb 20

Because they are? How many YouTubers are playing The Hot New Thing from Nintendo right now, because they bought it? They are the ones perpetuating this shit. It’s all a feedback loop meant to suck as much money out of the public as they can.

I can go and find at least 6 YouTubers that I subscribe to that almost always play the newest of the new thing so it’s featured on their channel. RTGame, Mo1stCr1t1kal/Penguinz0, Game Grumps, IronPineapple, VideogameDunkey, OboeShoes, hell even General Sam as much as I love his style and humor.

Show threadmesaFeb 21
Game Grumps got in trouble from what I remember using emulators haha.
Show threadZahille7Feb 21

I actually forgot that Game Grumps only play the newest of the new when it’s from a particular series or something.

Why did they get in trouble? Was it with Nintendo or the fans? I kinda remember some “controversy” over them using emulators instead of original hardware, but imo that’s bullshit. Sometimes old hardware isn’t better, and all kinds of things can go wrong with it.

Show threadmesaFeb 21
I wish I remembered…Im spacing right now and search isnt coming up with anything. I just remember there was a small stink because some game or another was too expensive? And they just emulated it but showed one of the screens? Its been many years.
Show threadZahille7Feb 21

Yeah, seems about right for some of the purists out there. There’s a whole fucking subreddit dedicated to talking shit about them. It’s honestly sad.

Like it’s one thing to have a semi-parasocial relationship and call it “hanging out with your friends” but it’s another entirely to dedicate time out of your life to get upset and angry over a goddamn YouTube channel.

Show threadAlexanderTheDeadFeb 22

“hanging out with your friends”

That is not semi-parasocial, it is full parasocial, and you should do your best to discourage that kind of sentiment if ever conveyed genuinely.

I know it’s a tough subject. Pretty much everyone is semi-parasocial. But describing someone you literally don’t know and just watch content from is parasocial and an incredibly delusional and dangerous mindset.

Show threadbungle_in_the_jungleFeb 20
You mean the same people who in the same breath complain about the state of Pokémon and immediately follow up by saying they’re going to buy it anyway? Those people? 😅
Show threadTORFdot0Feb 20
Then they know their audience. Source: Nintendo customer
Show threadCosmoNovaFeb 21
You know there are Nintendo fans and then there are Pokemon fans. They have a reputation of not really being into games but being into everything Pokemon.
Show threadTheBunGodFeb 21
I think Nintendo is right
Show threadChloé 🥕Feb 20

everything about this release is ridiculous

20$ is way too expensive for what it is, it should honestly be 10/15$ at most
why just fire red/leaf green? why not other pokémon games? ruby, sapphire, emerald, these have never been rereleased!
why are all language versions separate purchases??? you couldn’t be arsed to bundle them?
the only new feature of this release, and really the only reason one might want to use this version instead of emulating on another platform, pokémon home compatibility, is not available at launch and will be added later. come on.

Show threadChloé 🥕Feb 20
anyways play cassette beasts instead
Show threadwhotookkarlFeb 20
Monster sanctuary was a lot of fun too
Show threadmesaFeb 20
Coromon rocks! And its only 5$ on steam.
Show threadAielman15Feb 20
LumenTale just released a new trailer today.
LumenTale: Memories of Trey | Multiplayer Trailer

YouTube
Show threadmesaFeb 20
ohhh cool thanks!
Show threadChristianFeb 21
Monster Sanctuary had much worse graphics and the story was not engaging at all but somehow I still enjoyed it a lot more than Cassette Beasts.
Show threadSabinStargemFeb 21

I liked Nexomon Extinction, and am looking forward to Nexomon 3D.

Show threadbungle_in_the_jungleFeb 20
People shit on it a lot but I played TemTem at release and the whole time felt sad because it was what I’d so long wished that Pokémon would become.
Show threadmarighostFeb 20
Seconded on Cassette Beasts. Beat the game, then play it with random beast typings.
Show threadSanctusFeb 20
I bought their album, its fantastic. Cassette Beasts is the best pokemon.
Show threadmyfavouritenameFeb 21
Such a good game! It did not have to have all the extra features it does to be worth the purchase, but they loaded this game with fun!
Show threadblessFeb 21
Sorry, Shin Megami Tensei has already won me over. Can’t beat fighting and having gods fighting for you in my book
Show threadcaseyweedermanFeb 22
And Magi Nation!
Show threadGuitarFeb 20
I know lemmy really has a strong sentiment against Nintendo, but for me personally, I am happy about this. I think its fair to download and emulate games when there is no legal version being offered anywhere. I would also say that being offered through subscription only doesn’t change that either. But if there is a version for sale by Nintendo, I am happy to buy that instead. I don’t think piracy is justified just because you are angry at a company. If I can purchase a copy on my modern system, that is the way I’m gonna go.
Show threadNurse_RobotFeb 20
Piracy is justified because I already own those games, and they’re not backwards compatible. I’m not going to pay for the same game multiple times.
Show threadpeacefulpixelFeb 20
piracy is always justified
Show threadNurse_RobotFeb 20
Probably not from indie developers
Show threadathatetFeb 20
Even from indie devs. Many have said that if you don’t have the money to buy their game to get it and play it anyway. More eyes on it and word of mouth and whatnot.
Show threadGuitarFeb 20
Kinda wild to claim that a purchase of a game 20 years ago justifies pirating a game now. It’s not like no one had to do any work to get it going on Switch. They had to make GBA features connect between Switch systems. But you play how you wanna play. I just don’t like all the gatekeeping a lot of people do about people buying a copy.
Show threadNurse_RobotFeb 20
Do you work for the billion dollar company? Weird fucking take you have portraying them as a victim
Show threadGuitarFeb 21
I mean there are smaller people who work at the billion dollar company. You think the devs who ported this release at Nintendo are billionaires? Just because you hate a brand doesn’t mean everything that they do is exclusively handled by greedy mustache-twirling villains. The games industry is full of regular people who deserve to get paid just as much as anyone else does. I’m not going to justify fucking those people over by pretending they don’t exist while I steal from a faceless brand. A handful of greedy assholes making decisions at the top aren’t the only people who are impacted.
Show threadNurse_RobotFeb 21
Thinking that pirating a $20 game from Nintendo is fucking someone over is a wild take. Stop treating international giga corporations like people
Show threadGuitarFeb 21
It’s moreso that if I made something and worked hard on it, I wouldn’t think people were justified in stealing it just because they think the company I work for is shitty. I want to pay those people for something they made that I enjoyed. I don’t see Nintendo as a person, but I do see the people at Nintendo as people. At the end of the day, your $20 boycott isn’t going to make or break it for those people. But they do deserve my money when they create something I enjoy in my opinion. You are welcome to disagree and not buy it all you want.
Show threadElectricMachmanFeb 21
The work was already done, and the people who worked on it have already been paid. Nobody’s getting royalties here.
Show threadRyanmiller70Feb 21
The devs already got paid. The money spent buying this game just goes to the higher ups who spent 0 time actually working on the game.
Show threadKilgore TroutFeb 21
You were right in your first comment, but this is plainly false. Not pirating, mind, but making copies of what you already own is legal, at least in US and most of Europe.
Show threadGuitarFeb 21
Copying what you already own is another thing entirely. If it’s from your own copy, do whatever you want.
Show threadKilgore TroutFeb 21
I do whatever I want regardless. That you go out of your way to defend the multi-billion company from copyright theft is pointless, when nowadays agents like Meta have been reported stealing millions of copyrighted materials and nothing happened.
Show threadZedstrianFeb 20

If a company shows no respect for its consumers by nickel and diming them for everything, then there is no reason to show a company respect by purchasing its products.

If they re-released their entire back catalogue at reasonable prices—not locking them behind a subscription—with a commitment to letting users transfer them to future consoles without an upgrade fee, then things would be different.

Show threadiamthetotFeb 20

If a company shows no respect for its consumers by nickel and diming them for everything, then there is no reason to show a company respect by purchasing its products.

Sure, but there is a difference between not giving them money, and not giving them money but getting their product anyway.

“I don’t like your product or practices, so I’m not going to purchase it” is not the same as “I like your product but not your practices, so I’m going to pirate it.”

Video games are not exactly a vital good like food.

Show threadZedstrianFeb 20

Blind consumer loyalty only incentivizes Nintendo to further raise prices and make their products less consumer friendly.

Piracy simply demonstrates a problem with supply; if Nintendo wants to solve it, the solution isn’t trying to cuts heads off of a hydra, but rather adjust prices to capture unrealized market potential.

Show threadiamthetotFeb 20
I did not say anything about blind consumer loyalty, so that comment feels strange in the context of this conversation.
Show threadGuitarFeb 21
I’m curious, what is a reasonable price to you for these games? Because as far as I’m concerned, buying both games for the price of buying one of them 20 years ago feels pretty reasonable. I agree that they drip feed the fuck out of us on actually providing a way to play these games. But releasing these games in a way that you can bring forward to additional systems, and not putting them behind a subscription is a move that should be prasied. I just think it’s a step in the right direction. I’ll take the ability to own one game on my modern system over owning zero.
Show threadZedstrianFeb 21

Unlike physical cartridges, a digital, emulated copy of FireRed has no resale or collector’s value. Also, as the primary cost in developing such titles is the emulator, Nintendo could release additional GBA games in this manner with minimal additional effort.

Considering those factors, and the Switch having a higher install base than prior systems (over ten times Wii U unit sales), maintaining the Wii U and 3DS price points is the most reasonable means for Nintendo to monetize their back catalogue in a way that makes piracy less enticing for many people: $3 per GB, $4 per GBC, $5 per NES, $7-8 per GBA, $8 per SNES, $10 per N64, and $20 per Wii game price point.

Given that each console only requires an emulator to be developed once (something Nintendo has already done for NSO) to support hundreds of paid titles, there’s no need to increase prices when the games will sell several times more than they had any chance to on the Wii U.

Given how many games NSO includes, they could continue offering them that way for people who prefer renting their library. Consumers want meaningful options; pricing a GBA game at $20 is not that.

Show threadGuitarFeb 21
Fair enough, I would personally prefer those price points too. I agree that this isn’t a particularly meaningful option. But it is significantly more meaningful than what existed before it. I think the big disparity on the pricing is a symptom of everything having a subscription nowadays. Not justifying it, just acknowledging it. They probably tell themselves that $20 for one game is fair becuase they could have charged $20/month if they added it to NSO. It does feel high, but just the added value of not having to pay a subscription every month or year to play this game feels significant to me. I recognize that’s a bit dystopian, but it feels like a little breathing room in this gaming landscape.
Show threadHaunchesTVFeb 20