R.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

9 days worth of updates on #Fedora #KDE #Plasma.

When I say the KDE components are nearly #RollingRelease, I mean it. XD

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Show threaddet (ΞΈΞ”)Feb 20
@rl_dane i would say "yet another reason to not daily drive kde"
...but i daily drive arch linux
i cant say shit
Show threadMy name is Gordo
@det @rl_dane It is a pretty fantastic DE though.
Feb 20 at 2:46amWeb
Show threaddet (ΞΈΞ”)Feb 20
@gordoooo_z @rl_dane yeah, just not for me
its kinda, too much lol
i have no real disdain towards kde, its a purely theatrical thing
hell, im using tokodon rn
and i use krita for graphic design work
Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20

@det @rl_dane As much as I dig KDE if I am going to use a DE... I also have to agree on the "too much." If you're the kind of person who's liable to lose 2-3 hours tweaking a config (and I very much am), Plasma is a risky proposition.

Not that I haven't just as easily lost half a workday perfecting my i3 config, but you're just not really going to have that problem in GNOME, for example. Y'know... if you can stomach GNOME, lol

Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

> ...stomach gnome...

I can't*. XD

But re: endless tweaking, it really does quiesce after a while. I haven't tweaked my KDE setup in ages. ;)

* I like some of their ideas, but the CSDs and useless scrollbars can go die in a nuclear lava pit.

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20

@rl_dane @det Yeah, at this point all I do to a fresh KDE install is tweak the panel how I like it, set compose key to LeftAlt, and I'm off to the races. My setup on the living room PC is a different story. Went a little tweak crazy on that when I switched to Plasma 6, and made a custom floating panel I would absolutely hate if I were working at a desk, but it looks slick and really doesn't matter on a box that mainly just plays movies and YouTube.

And GNOME, ugh. We've probably gone over my feelings about GNOME at least once or twice in the past lol, so I'll spare you the diatribe, but needless to say, it's not for me (rip GNOME 2 though. That was my DE of choice when I first got into Linux).

Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

Gnome 2 was nice.

I love the floating panel conceptually, but I hate the fact that it docks to the bottom of the screen the second a window grazes it.

That hits my ADHD pretty hard. XD

So, I keep mine non-floating.

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@rl_dane @det I also hate floating panels, but I got tunnel vision and had to aee it through, and the styling wouldn't really have worked otherwise lol
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

It's a great DE for those who want a DE. :)

Show threaddet (ΞΈΞ”)Feb 20
@rl_dane @gordoooo_z haha, yeahhh
for those who want a de
Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@det @rl_dane well yeah, I figured that part went without saying, lol. I'm happiest in i3 personally, but I've somehow become a laptop person in the last couple years, and i3 [at least the way I use it] sucks on a 14" laptop.
Show threaddet (ΞΈΞ”)Feb 20
@gordoooo_z @rl_dane hahaha, for me, its almost the inverse
i prefer tiling on laptops and floating on desktops
at least we can agree on i3, i use sway which from the endusers side of things is damn near identical to i3, to me at least
Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@det @rl_dane Yeah, the thought has occurred to me recently that once I do get my office back in order and start working at my desktop again every day, I'm probably going to have to get used to Sway finally. At this point, I've pretty much adjusted to Wayland on every other device/install. I just hope there isn't too much weirdness when it comes to adapting my config. Off the top of my head, whatever I used as a colour picker is definitely going to have to be replaced.
Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@det @rl_dane The laptop just kind of defeats the purpose for me. I don't really like toggling between windows if I have the option to tile everything I need instead, but on a laptop this size (or any single 1080p screen tbh), that's just not going to happen, twm or no twm. So I tend to just Meta+β–Ά and Meta+β—€ two windows side by side, and get on with it.
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

I find tabbing works best for me. I don't usually use actual tiling unless I really want to watch a couple things side-by-side.

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20

@rl_dane @det I almost completely ignore tabbing as an option. I set my i3 up to simulate the way workspaces work in other DEs, so instead of it switching the monitor that has docus to a different workspace, while my other monitor stays the same, I set up say 10 workspace, but then I have 5 shortcuts, each of which switches my primary monitor to an even numbered workspace, and the secondary to an odd one, so Meta+1 (or something like that) will display workspaces 1 and 2 across my two monitors; Meta+2 is ws 3 and 4; so on and so forth. I think i have a total of 10 actual i3 workspaces, which act like 5 of what I consider a workspace.

And basically I have different groups of windows for different tasks on different workspaces, so I can switch contexts rapidly with very little rearranging of windows.

Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

Oh, that's neat.

I only briefly used i3 with dual monitors, so I don't have much experience with that.

When I was using KDE with dual monitors, I always kept the windows on the left (laptop) monitor pinned onto all workspaces.

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@rl_dane @det depending on my mood on any given day, I can be very distractible, so managing "contexts" is far more functional for me than managing windows, if that makes any sense. Plus, I just like to be able to jump over to the last workspace when its time for a break or after work, which is where I tend to keep my browser windows full of tabs I haven't read (/watched) yet, and my work stuff is still ready for me when the time comes to get back to it, but neatly tucked out of view.
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

You might be interested in [this script], which I wrote for i3 (and then sway) to give me the number of the next unused workspace.

I use it with a keybind to jump to the next available workspace. (Admittedly, I haven't used it in ages, but I just don't use workspaces in i3/sway very much XD )

scripts/new_workspace at main

scripts - Some of my scripts that I wrote, which I use daily

Codeberg.org
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

I personally found the "it'll just use your i3 config natively, there's no futzing at all!" claim to be exaggerated.

I don't remember what the issue was, but what I had to do was copy my i3 config over to ~/.sway/, and comment out every line. Then, I uncommented the lines in blocks of however many lines at a time, and stopped when it threw an error and troubleshot it.

You may have a much better time than I did, but of course, once I adapted my config, it was pretty golden.

The only thing I haven't found yet is something like xmag, but it's not hard to fake with grimshot and a viewer like nsxiv, feh, or imv.

I'm a huge nsxiv (images) and zathura (pdf, epub, others) stan.

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@rl_dane @det Yeah, I think I tried once, and came to the same conclusion, but I wasn't in any kind of rush to switch to Wayland at the time so I figured it would be an exercise for when I had no choice lol
Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@rl_dane @det xmag as in magnifier? I don't remember what I used, or if I used anything at all actually. It's possible I just had less use for magnifying when working at my desk with two oversized monitors, but it's been a while since I even booted my desktop (idek who I am anymore πŸ˜…).
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

Yeah, the magnifier. I don't know of one for sway, but I haven't looked in a while.

Is it too late to just come out with an X12 that takes a subset of X11 and re-works it? Yes? Crap. XD

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@rl_dane @det there's one on slophub, repo alfredodeza/remagnify that might be worth a look? Also saw one called wooz but not a lot of action in the repo 🀷
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

That looks neat, but I think I'll just use the grimshot hack when I need it rather than tap into a nuclear reactor to compile something written in rust... πŸ˜‰

Show threadMy name is GordoFeb 20
@rl_dane @det Good point, lol
Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@det @gordoooo_z

Also a sway fan. Actually, sway is the only Wayland experience I haven't had any gripes about.

Show threadR.L. Dane    πŸ΅ Feb 20

@gordoooo_z @det

Really? I've happily used i3 and sway on 12" laptops.