Want to start Metaphor but the blurb is all FIGHT FOR THRONNNE tbh I ideologically more against being royal than being on rich list, and it's not just because I'm convinced that the only reason people are on rich list is because they don't have royal's resources to hide their awfulness

Thank you @neatchee I'm sold.

Persona ish series are always odd. When they want to make good social commentary they are always spot on, but then they'd just do a whole subplot about sexual harassments and effect on teen girls, immediately followed by a skit where the player would give three options of a "joke" and all of them are sexually harassing your friend who is still dealing with the aftermath like WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS

I vaguely remember there were some comments about Metaphor has a build problem that if you got into it blind, the game can become unplayable later on. I also don't want to look it up because people are shit at spoilers.

So.

Is that true? What do I need to be careful about?

Alright let's do it

Huh protagonist's fairy is Misty from Pokemon???

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Of course I named my protagonist Psyduck.
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On one hand, Psyduck doesn't wear shoes to bed.

On the other hand,

HEY LISTEN
HEY LISTEN
HEY LISTEN
HEY LISTEN
HEY LISTEN
HEY LISTEN
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FUCK YEAH THE MONSTERS HERE ARE "HUMANS" I WAITED FOR THIS DAY FOR SO LONG

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While Atlus isn't what I'd call the peak interesting game system creator (that's TriAce), I have to say that when it comes to UI plus style, Atlus is on its own league.

There are better UI and there are better style. Atlus got the mixture down to distinctive functional art form.

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You cannot convince me that Metaphor verse isn't a mirror of Persona verse. Akademia is where they kidnap humans from Tokyo to turn them into Pokemon, like what Velvet Room does.

Shin Megami Tensei series are something else altogether. I got to the obliterate everything ending in IV and decided I can't deal with that degree of depressive media. And I'm raised on pre Soviet depressing Russian novels.

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Kitty!!

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HAHAHAHAHAH I AM HOWLING because I think the entire central city is built on this meme.

Hold on is this a normal rat (pest), a supercharged rat (pest), or a protected species of indigenous massive rat (not pest)?

Only asking because I have ran into protected large white tail rats in urban settings before.

Wait what the main streets of Grand Trad near the cathedral is literally Sydney CBD? As in I can believe it if the scenary was taken from there. I'd show you a photo if I weren't 700km away

Metaphor so far:

Royal = good
Lineage based authoritarian state = good
Being completely subservient to royal = good
Low born working their way up = evil

That scene where that The Substance styled giant face coming down from the sky was hella cool.

I hope Grius stays dead. I really don't like him. He's the worst at this whole assassination business, worse than Tetsuya Yamagami.

Not a fan of how every cat/dog/foxgirls only have two breasts

Probably why I'm never allowed to do furry arts

I do find Metaphor pretty good for what it is, I just absolutely cannot with royalty and to say that I give less than 0 shit about the everyone's motivation is too much shit to give.

I just miss the flavour of Persona. Give me an urban fantasy any day over this.

I just unlocked the influencer popularity piss context meter. There is no escape.
Protagonist gains bonds by shaking hands with potential allies. Here goes my dream of bonding with handless crewtures, like those sandworms outside of the carriage crash.

Just give me Chie Yukiko and Yosuke baaaaack

The cast feels like Persona 3. I could never get into Persona 3, even though nothing was wrong with any of them really, they were coworkers who have a job to do. I just never felt that anyone ever became friends even til the end. Just, ok clock off, hide the evoker so we don't get arrested for carrying, see you tomorrow.

Something Americans got right that the Commonwealth hasn't, is the idea that with diversity Americans are about "acceptance" while Commonwealth is about "tolerance". Which is rather aptly named in Metaphor given the setting.

Needless to say not a fan. But also I guess thank you for tolerating my existence like I'm a mildly discomforting haemorrhoid?

On protagonists's third Cloud Hair Spike, he aspires to one day tolerate others for existing.
Yeah real talk. I wonder if one of the writers briefly spent some time as Japanese Asian in Christchurch NZ. Because the degree of frequent open racial hostility the protagonist was faced with would've been a comical exaggeration anywhere else, but imo it's very very sanitised compared to existing as visibly Asian in NZ. Usually you don't get through a week without already assaulted multiple times.

Royal Capital Grand Trad has THE WORST corpse handling capacity, for a large city that has disproportionately number of corpses. Or maybe they just look disproportionate because no one deals with them so they accumulate.

I'm waiting for the fantasy desentry wave.

I swear Metaphor is so strong at stuff Trails in the Sky is super weak at, and vice versa

And I saaaaad because they both could've been so strong

I don't know how else to describe it. So far Metaphor felt like a stronger narrative title than than any Persona to date, but also it's noticeably less of a "my" game than Persona.

Though one particular structural mild spoiler makes me think there are also legit poor decisions made about Metaphor's playability.

I really like the voice acting for everyone except Gallica and Protagonist.

How do I turn Gallica off and Gallica only? She's a homage to HEY LISTEN HEY LISTEN HEY LISTEN but like, excessive parody.

No whoever made the decision for battle voice over Gallica. Who hurt you?

The distinctive design philosophy of Atlus SMT games are, a "hard" battle is one that the boss has many many HP and it takes for forfucking ever and you are expected to mostly grind them down.

Which is ok, you'd get into an Atlus game expecting this. Also entirely not my style. I much prefer the rapid fire of minutes of intensity. Think of FFXIII where a battle can go anywhere between an hour to minutes based on how well you strategise. Or VIIRebirth, man what a game. Or Resonance of Fate wooooooah I love how it feels so much and it's been a decade.

FFXIV is the oddest because based on which cluster of battles they are, they can be anywhere between digging a hole with a toothpick, to legit rapid don't-fuck-up-a-step. I still loved Eden Titan and Eden Ifrit-Garuda for the speed.

Finding Maria is my closest, oh fuck it give me a guide. I can never find anything.

I really can do with a child character who isn't just a generic child.

I can think of one well written child in all media in my life, that isn't a child-audience based work. Which is pretty worrying.

Maria is not that example. Nor is Nanako Dojima. Weirdest being Marlene Wallace: where Nanaki was such a well written pre/early teen, Marlene is like a talking lamp post.

@BigShellEvent this needs to be an accessibility feature in every video game with voice acting ever going forward. Individual toggles for each characters voice so you can mute the annoying one 
@BigShellEvent just want to chime in to note that the things you're feeling about royalty etc in this universe are exactly the things you are supposed to be feeling. They are not at all subtle with the interplay of establishment politics, meritocracy, unbridled racism, conformity, etc. I hope you're enjoying the delivery even if the current state of the world narrative is discomforting

@neatchee I'm waiting for it :3

PS my comment on the weakness is 100% regarding to a game breaking build issue that the game didn't tell the player until 100th hour. Also the battle so far felt too, idk, safely midlane turn based JRPG

@BigShellEvent Yeah, the whole "you can spend time leveling stuff that gives you no progress towards character-specific late game build optimization" thing sucks a lot. Worst design decision they made

And I agree they play it pretty safe with the combat design. But what they do in that regard they do well, at least?

And it's pretty clear they learned a bunch from P5 and Royal that they implemented in the systems for Metaphor. Leaves me optimistic about the next Persona game

I just love how it all comes together, for the most part. Each element of metaphor has enough for me to enjoy that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts

@BigShellEvent Once you get near the end, there is a specific XP farm I can tell you about that at least makes leveling all the personas (yeah I'm calling them that) pretty fast, if a bit tedious. But it's not until you finish the last "normal" dungeon.

@neatchee got it! Yeah, I think I'd describe Metaphor as the most "optimised" version of Persona. I like risky and wild, and that's what the system isn't. It's just lubricated to the perfectly flow of non obstructiveness of the older games.

Except that elephant in the room anyway

A little more on this tolerance vs acceptance thing.

I'm saying this as neutrally as possible. I just kinda assume if you frequently Interact with me online you accept me, but if we frequently (like weekly) interact offline that is you tolerating me. This only makes sense if you've met me lol

@BigShellEvent I mean, to say that America got "acceptance" vs. "tollerance" right is a bit of a misnomer, or at least depends very much on where in America and which Americans.
@faithisleaping at very minimal, Commonwealth still normalise "tolerance" as default word, which is way worse than a place where there are a bit more cultural variation.

@BigShellEvent Agreed. America is sometimes referred to as a melting pot and I actually kind of like that. It's a cultural stew where everyone brings their own flavors. Over the course of a hundred years or so, those flavors tend to blend together some and that's okay.

And there are parts that really are like that! I think New York is still very much that sort of melting pot, as far as I understand.

Where I grew up in the midwest was that at one point. I'm of Swedish descent but there's also a lot of Norwegian, German, Polish, Dutch, and just about any other European country that hit hard times back in the late 1800s. But that pot has simmered long enough without much new being added that it's now a fairly homogeneous mess of white. (Which is also an apt description of Midwestern food. IYKYK.)

But, yeah, as words go, "tolerance" is a shit word to use towards immigrants or minorities of any stripe. "Acceptance" is much better, if you can't manage "embrace".

@faithisleaping I'm very much being exclusively about word usage here and I'm very much not a "tolerance" fan.

I found the US approach is quite... Unusual. I don't know how to put my words to it. Like you are welcomed as long as you look the same, act WASPy, and don't deviate from strict WASP norm. Or you'd either be vilified or used as a diversity prop. Which felt distinctively different to say, Malaysia; where you can just exist as a woman in tiny bikini on the beach next to a woman in full burqa and no one makes a big deal out of it.

My in-US experience was only 3 weeks and only Californian. I think there's always a strong reminder of how "other" the visibly non-white immigrants are, even when used to display DEI. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, being complacent to the ever looming danger that it only takes one president for people to be disappeared by government is something that's critically bad to survival.

But also, I never felt existing as me in public was fundamentally risky like every visit to supermarket has 10% chance of receiving hate crime. And that's really really nice. I could never be that relaxed in NZ.

@BigShellEvent And it's so incredibly variable across the US.

Where I grew up in the Midwest, people are phobic as hell and they'll talk all the time about gay people or trans people or mexicans or whoever else. They'll have toxic opinion after toxic opinion and never think twice about it.

But will they do anything about it? Will they actually hurt you? No. The #1 social rule in the US Midwest is "Don't cause a scene." The last person anyone wants to be is the person other people look at and blame for making everyone else uncomfortable. As long as you're acting "normal" enough, if someone is yelling slurs at you, everyone will look at them as the problem. But there's a decent chance they'll still agree with the slur and hate you behind your back.

But in rural Texas, it's a totally different calculus. I transitioned in one of the major Texas cities and never got any guff from anyone. (I'm white but I was also very clocky for a while there.) I might have gotten a strange look or two but no one really seemed to care. The moment I strayed outside of a few metro areas, though, and then the slurs come and who knows what worse could happen. If you're driving from Austin to Dallas, you stay on the fucking interstate until you get there.

In Portland, Oregon, they claim tolerance and probably won't hate-crime you (though it does happen on rare occasion) but they're still racist as hell. They love diversity, but only so they can claim their white ally points. They also think they're diverse but it's really in the sense that the white people dress a bit differently there than in other US cities. But if you don't look like a straight white girl appropriating lesbian culture, you're not going to get anywhere socially.

My sense is that California is a mix between Texas and Oregon but I've only ever visited, not lived there.

I could go on and on and this is only the stuff I've noticed as a white girl. I'm sure a well-traveled non-white girl could tell you a lot more.

Yeah, that country is fucked up.

@faithisleaping I feel like the Oregon type are the most terminally online type, for better or worse.
@BigShellEvent yooo p4g is one of those games I considered 🐐 material and it’s due to the cast!

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ok yosuke is such a little shit but i have such high hope that he'd flourish into a wonderful adult, just immature little shit

I hate the protagonist tho