Want to start Metaphor but the blurb is all FIGHT FOR THRONNNE tbh I ideologically more against being royal than being on rich list, and it's not just because I'm convinced that the only reason people are on rich list is because they don't have royal's resources to hide their awfulness

Thank you @neatchee I'm sold.

Persona ish series are always odd. When they want to make good social commentary they are always spot on, but then they'd just do a whole subplot about sexual harassments and effect on teen girls, immediately followed by a skit where the player would give three options of a "joke" and all of them are sexually harassing your friend who is still dealing with the aftermath like WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS

I vaguely remember there were some comments about Metaphor has a build problem that if you got into it blind, the game can become unplayable later on. I also don't want to look it up because people are shit at spoilers.

So.

Is that true? What do I need to be careful about?

@BigShellEvent if you're going to be playing on Hard Mode like I did, you might want to look up how to unlock each characters Royal Archetype (their Ultimate Persona, basically) otherwise you'll find yourself with a whole load of grinding to do when you reach endgame. that was enough for me to quit the game as I just cba, still not finished it

if I play it again I'll be following a build guide

@BigShellEvent basically each Archetype (Warrior, Mage, Assassin, etc) levels up independently for each character, and the mid level ones require earlier ones to be at certain levels (eg. to unlock Knight you need to have leveled up Warrior to say level 10*)

some of the later ones require multiple earlier Archetypes to be at certain levels, and if you made the "wrong" choice for that particular character you won't be able to unlock their Royal Archetype without grinding the earlier ones. the game doesn't tell you this at any point until you reach endgame

*just an example, probably not what it actually is in game

@COMPU73E oh fuck. I will not play on hard then. I like exploring and experimenting, and if I have to use a guide I might as well just watch a youtube video playthrough.

@BigShellEvent I mentioned Hard Mode as the Royal Archetypes were pretty much required to beat the game iirc, probably not so on Normal

it's a great game, I was loving it until that point

@COMPU73E Another question. Does the game tell you what royal archtypes each character have, or do you have to unlock and grind each one to trial and error?

I really want to avoid guides if I could. But also, it sounds like potentially the worst grinding hellscape possible that isn't Saga Emerald.

@BigShellEvent each character has a unique Royal Archetype that only they can use, but you don't find out what they are until quite late in the game
@COMPU73E But they do tell you right? Right? Not like, unlock the entire deck of minor arcana, ok your Royal Archtype is reverse seven of cups

@BigShellEvent they tell you what the requirements are, but you may have made different choices for that particular character throughout the game and not leveled the ones you need, so you then have to go back and grind the earlier ones to level them up

eg. to unlock Bob's Royal Archetype of Super Galactic Ninja you need to have leveled Ninja to 25, Ninja requires Assassin 20 and Rogue 20, Assassin requires Thief 10 and Ranger 10, Rogue requires Fighter 10, but you might've decided to make Bob your mage character instead and leveled up all the magic classes on him, so you're locked out unless you grind all those earlier ones

I hope that makes sense!

@COMPU73E it makes sense, just sounds like the devs really dropped the ball here tbh.
@BigShellEvent yeah it's not a great system and doesn't really lend itself to experimentation and coming up with your own builds
@COMPU73E Ok, guide dammit. Got it. Weep.
@BigShellEvent you don't need to look up story spoilers, but when a new character joins your party and you get a feel for what sort of character they are I would just search [name] + Royal Archetype and look at what classes you need to unlock

@COMPU73E hahahahaha I looked up and I already built the wrong archtype for my cast.

This is... Not the kind of fuck up I expected from Atlus, tbh. This is like straight circa 2000 video game fuck up.

@BigShellEvent LMAO I love watching you play video games. You’re ruthless 🤣 @COMPU73E
@sayonaraminasan @COMPU73E Me: I LOST 10 YEARS OF MY LIFE EXPECTANCY IN THIS SHIT BECAUSE OF FURY but also favourite game ever; always

@BigShellEvent now imagine you are 100+ hours into the game and you'll get a feel for how annoyed I was, I'd made the "wrong" choices for nearly every single party member 😅

"you can choose your own playstyle and make your own builds!"

...

"not like that"

@COMPU73E crying into my bowl of ice cream right now