Mastodawn

When I said that your discord clone doesn’t need e2ee, I got a lot of comments along the lines of “ then how would I use it to organize the revolution!” The answer is: you don’t. If you have more users than can comfortably share a Signal chat and hence want to use discord or something like it, you cannot POSSIBLY be vetting all of them to a high standard of trust. Your logs ARE leaking. End-to-end encryption between more people than can fit around a dinner table is pointless.

This article confirms what I already assumed, that “open source [information sense, not code sense] intelligence gathering on social media” includes, for the US government, asking for links to join groups that may *feel* private. My own discord has literally like a thousand idlers. It would be very *lucky* if none of them were logging for potentially nefarious purposes! And I remind the active users of this occasionally.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-ice-masks-up-in-more-ways

Exclusive: ICE Masks Up in More Ways Than One

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Lynne Feb 13

@0xabad1dea Yeah, but, you know, what's the point of making anything and not overengineering it?

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LisPi

@lynne @0xabad1dea It only needs "overengineering" because the clearnet is inherently not something that should be directly used by any program and so an inordinate amount of effort is required work around that. It is a routing layer and should not be used as anything else.

It is deeply flawed both in replicating power structures consciously in its design and in failing to achieve a basic standard of privacy & security that is baseline in key-addressed overlay networks (anonymizing or not).

End-to-end encrypted chat in I2P is literally as simple as opening netcat pointed at a particular listening peer's netcat in listening mode, if you really want to strip it down to the absolute most basic.

A two liner in shell (a single line per host). There you go. e2ee chat. How's that for overengineering?

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@lispi314 Well let me put it this way, can you read the decision to build a "computing utility" as anything but political? General Electric alongside Bell Labs and MIT had a vested interest in tra...