if you're going to reply to this thread with some other software that you think could be a viable replacement for discord then i'd prefer that you actually have experience with using discord a decent amount

no, your 1-on-1 e2ee instant messenger or irc client does not meet the criteria

one of my biggest worries is adversarial lock-in; this is a big issue with discord right now, and is part of why i don't see most clones (e.g. stoat, root, fluxer) as viable alternatives

i want to be able to trust that this won't happen, and just saying "we would never do this! ☺️" isn't enough

@esm fluxer intends to do federation and self hosting, so worth seeing what that looks like

i do think governance though matters, like if you got all ur funding from the worst people who want returns or you go IPO and do that but on a large scale, then it'll reflect. So i think it depends where the money is coming from and the ethos, Blender is a good example.

But, i agree, designing to foundationally resist the issue is def best.

@sammypanda i still feel quite iffy about fluxer, but parts of it seem intriguing; i just made an account since a friend circle i'm part of also decided to take a look

will i feel confident enough in it to port my software to it? we'll see