"Schumer needs to get the hell out": House Democrats fume over DHS funding talks

https://lemmy.world/post/42708963

"Schumer needs to get the hell out": House Democrats fume over DHS funding talks - Lemmy.World

Well sounds like the Democratic leadership to aggressively court disgruntled voters and listening and addressing their concerns is off to a great start with this.

The DNC is controlled opposition and the fact that centrists are in denial about it puts all of us in great peril.
Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory right there.
Really? Cause they are both bought by AIPAC lol

People love blaming the Jews. The National Association of Realtors spent more than the AIPAC last cycle.

www.opensecrets.org/…/2024

Top PACs

Here are the top political committees (PACs) for the 2024 election cycle based on total fundraising, contributions to candidates, total spent, and total spent in independent expenditures and communication costs.

OpenSecrets
Schumer literally said himself that his job is to fight for Israel.

That has been the position of nearly every US politician in both parties for the last 40 years. He also calls for a real ceasefire and a two party state, recognizing Palestine has just as much right to statehood as Israel.

Meanwhile when Trump was asked if it’s his job to uphold the Constitution, he said " I don’t know".

I agree, Trump shouldn’t lead the Democratic Party either.
Fo now we all have exactly two choices: Democrats or Republicans. Shumer or Trump. Any third option is an illusion or a lie.
So Shumer can’t be held accountable for his actions? Why is he being granted a stranglehold on the Democrats instead of being replaced?
I don’t think replacing Shumer would change anything. What actions did he take that weren’t fully supported by the majority of the party? His replacement would likely be Corey Booker, Amy Klobuchar, or someone similar.
So Americans should just give up and not expect demand better from their elected representatives?
Demand better from the elected representatives who actually have the power to make changes - the Republicans!
Also demand better from elected representatives that want to get more votes in the future.
Absolutely. We always need to keep pressure on them to be better because the people who want everything to be worse sure as hell do.
Fuck you nazi bootlicker. How many realtors have committed genocide?
By your logic, AIPAC is running the government based on how much they donate. If you are being logically consistent then you should also believe realtors are running the country.
One group has nothing to do with the other nazi bootlicker
The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of my people. I am the farthest from a bootlicker as you can get. Keeping the center left and the far left fighting is exactly what the Nazis want, because we can’t beat them unless we fight together.
Hundreds of thousands? Last time I checked they killed millions, and before the nazis, the Russians killed hundreds of thousands of, supposedly, OUR people. I doubt you are a jew because most of us can accurately describe how many were murdered. Like Isreal murders Palestinians, who are also semites. How does the boot taste?

Millions total, but hundreds of thousands of my ancestors. Everyone knows about the Jewish victims of the Holocaust but people forget about the gypsies.

And yes Israel murdered and is still murdering Palestinians. I’m not a fan of apartheid ethnoststes no matter who is running them.

…they kinda fucking are lmfao. Realtors play a role in property ownership. They benefit from things like… wealthy people buying real estate to rent out.

Anyway. Let’s not act like publicly visible donations are (the government of) Israel’s only vector for bribing and influencing US politicians.

Lol, you’re right about the wealthy hoarding land. My point is that it would sound weird to say “the government is run by big realty!”

It’s true that there is a lot of dark money, but by definition that is nearly impossible to attribute a source. All we can do is speculate.

Let’s reassess from the beginning.

First commenter established democrat party as controlled opposition.

You called that tinfoil hat theory.

A Jewish commenter responded to you and pointed out how the parties are bought by AIPAC (which is at LEAST partially true) by merit of AIPAC lobbying US politicians.

You deflected their comment with deflection (racism accusation) and whataboutism (realtors are ALSO bad, and buying the government. yes. In general, btw, lobbying is bad. Because the strongest lobbies are ran by rich people).

The point of my participation in this comment thread was purely to point out how your logic is flawed and how you have failed to provide a satisfactory refutation of what other commenters said.

This last comment you posted is the only one where you have contributed to the conversation in a meaningful way, and still the best thing it does is say “you have no concrete proof of source of the goverment’s dark dealings”, which doesn’t really matter when the American government continues to fund a genocide, does it?

Again, conflating a Nation State with ethnicity.

Ironically, it is antisemitic to link Judaism to a genocidal regime.

Israel is explicitly a Jewish ethnostste and claims to be the homeland of all Jews. That link is literally in Israel’s founding documents. You might as well complain about linking the Vatican to Catholicism.

Israel is explicitly a Jewish ethnostste and claims to be the homeland of all Jews

25% of Israel is not Jewish. The land is also sacred to other faiths.

You might as well complain about linking the Vatican to Catholicism.

If the Pope started killing residents of Rome and expanding the Vatican into Borgo then I would blame the Pope, not Catholics in general.

25% of Israel is not Jewish. The land is also sacred to other faiths.

The Knesset is majority Jewish, the cabinets are almost exclusively Jewish ministers, and of course there is PM Netanyahu. He rew is the country’s official language and almost 80% of Israeli Jews think Jewish citizens deserve preferential treatment over citizens of other religions.

brookings.edu/…/how-israels-jewishness-is-overtak…

How Israel’s Jewishness is overtaking its democracy

According to a new Pew poll, half of Israeli Jews have come to seek not only a Jewish majority but even Jewish exclusivity in Israel. That doesn’t bode well for Arab-Jewish coexistence in Israel—even aside from what happens in the West Bank and Gaza.

Brookings

Again you are being antisemitic by trying link Judaism to a genocidal regime. The people in power in Israel are not monsters because they are Jewish.

Most Jews do not live in Israel and are not killing Palestinians.

Like it or not the regime claims to represent Judaism. I don’t blame non-Israeli Jews for what Israel does any more than I blame the average Palestinian for what Hamas did.

Like it or not the regime claims to represent Judaism.

My beef is with you claiming that disliking aipac is blaming the Jews.

Your stance seems to have softened so let’s leave it with you promising not to conflate State and religion/ethnicity in the future.

My beef is that saying that a Jewish group controls the government, even if you don’t realize it consciously, is repeating antisemitic claims that date back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That doesn’t mean you are antisemitic, but you should realize what you are saying.

No. You brought the antisemitic beef to the discussion.

If you had said

People love blaming the Jews Israels. The National Association of Realtors spent more than the AIPAC last cycle.

Then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Next time consider your choice of words.

I guess we will just have to disagree.
Fuck no. You can’t substitute the word Jew and claim anti-semitism against Israel. Don’t do it again.