@hamishcampbell This relies on metaphor rather than mechanism.

The critique is not judging a seed for not being a tree.

It is examining first-step effects: signaling, tone, moral pressure, and who bears cost while survivability is deferred.

Those questions apply precisely at the seed stage and are not answered by invoking growth metaphors.

@warmsignull OK will ask agen, where do we get the resources to do the "safety" before the commons can exist. And can I point out that this has never been done before in my experience, so it would be lovely to have these resources in place.

To stop this conversation circling, let's find the resources you keep pointing that we need before we can act.

@hamishcampbell I have suggested one possible solution. However, currently I will not be able to work on it by myself, as I have other responsibilities.

I would be able to work on that only if there are more people involved and the entire work does not fall just on me.

@warmsignull yep, I got that impression early on. So Q. I keep repeating, where are the resources coming from to do the work you prioritise? And more important for the #OMN project - where are the tools to use to do the work... see my last link on funding problems.

We do need focus #KISS

@hamishcampbell Maybe the one exception could be doing the resource generating projects the spartan way, so the next ones don't have to be.

I have also not received answer to what projects and tools emerged from OMN so far, that are active.

What messy work exactly is currently happening?

@warmsignull That's kinda funny after this long thread... it's the old chicken-and-egg problem https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=chicken+and+egg+ worth a read of some of these linked articles, to slow the circling.

The is always stuff going on, it's a full-time unpaid job - I put the effort and focus in so I can work on this path #boatingeurope

@warmsignull Currently, this morning's project is juggling a seed group of student journalist in Oxford to reboot https://oxford.indymedia.org.uk/ to motivate the scattered unfunded tech crew to work on the #indymediaback codebase they will need, very real chicken-and-egg problem :)

I could list another handful of projects, but you can find articles on the site your self, also meany past projects. We do need to compost this as I am losing the will to work chatting to people online ;)