William FieldsIt feels like the right time for me to move away from the generative/algorithmic and back towards improvisation.
t s r o n o@williamfields oh shit get @sideb0ard over here, AAA invitation revoked.
trash panda qc@williamfields werenât they the same, for you? or was the algorithmic stuff feeling too hands-off in performance?
@trashpandaqc Yes. I think I ceded too much control to the machine. I became too much a passive consumer.
@williamfields gotcha, I've been there / still am trying different setups. not really making fundamental changes but gravitating towards fewer layers with more hands-on controls.
I could imagine some interesting combos of improvising into a looper (or your equivalent) and processing the loops algorithmically
Daniel M Karlsson@williamfields Please tell me what has led you to this decision.
@t36s I realized that I started to depend too much on the machine to make music for me. I became too much of a passive consumer of an endless generative stream of music. It started to feel dehumanized and overwhelming. I would sit there hitting the button over and over again like I was addicted to a slot machine.
And it felt like a microcosm of what is happening in the wider world, with AI slop and endless feeds. It started to feel gross.
After I made that decision and posted that, I watched this video, which captures a lot about what I was feeling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk
Suno, AI Music, and the Bad Future
g âď¸@williamfields @t36s thank you for posting this
Steve Meyer@eesn @williamfields @t36s next follow-up question: knowing a little bit about how you perform based on interviews, i am curious about where you are looking to improvise within your system.
as in, is there a particular parameter space you plan to start improvising in?
i tend to fall into a trap where when i hear the word "improvise" and immediately think about note/rhythm selection. but you could obviously improvise over other parameter spaces, some simple like dry/wet ratios on effects or other macro/abstract mappings...
@stephenmeyer @eesn @t36s I can control and improvise with ALL parameters defined in my system. Let's discuss in SF ;)
Chorist@williamfields @t36s âThe AI culture war is a distraction from the class warâ⌠Adam Neely is based.
@williamfields I want you to be happy when you're making music. Life is too short to be doing this weird music and try to go against what you feel is right for you.
I'm thinking guilt by association is getting stronger. I imagine how the idea of working with algorithms makes people think now. Being deprived of a livelihood, or worse a bomb dropped on them because of algorithms. People write algorithms. I write code to organize sound. Took me forever to get here and I'm just getting started
ecz@williamfields @t36s
thanks for sharing this video. It ties a few threads together that I've been thinking about as well.
thanks for sharing this video. It ties a few threads together that I've been thinking about as well.
@eczem @williamfields It is a very good video. I think it is very scary and that we should all take steps to dissuade this infernal future from arriving.
Glubhorn@williamfields @t36s He has a good take on this. Iâm not sure about the inflexion point being live vs recorded music though. I would guess it will be more like original vs unoriginal music. I donât see why some musicians wouldnât use AI music âliveâ or how AI will doom creative studio music, it justs regurgitates existing stuff
@williamfields Understandable. I'd be curious to know about any specific changes in practice. I.e. are fewer elements left to probabilities.
@williamfields My mental image of your control interface is multiple pages of a lot of fine-grained controls; sometimes i forget you had the means to do purely generative tracks