Matty Roses21 Democrats vote to fund the government without any ICE restrictions
dhorkWhat’s the context here? Are these the Democrats who voted for the funding package? If so your premise is wrong. They voted to extend DHS funding at current levels until the end of next week. That is hardly “no restrictions”.
ICE already has its money, so voting “no” on this would not have affected its operations at all.
You’re thinking like a democrat.
Republicans recognize shutdowns as a tool to get what they want.
The idea is to use the shutdown as leverage. In this case, it would be voting to pass funding only if something that restricts ICE is included.
It works for the republicans.
Government shutdowns have historically never worked. All you can expect is to gain favor with the voters next cycle.
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All you can expect is to gain favor with the voters
So, it does work… Gaining favor with voters is how they can get back control of congress and put an end to this.
Yeah, exactly. As long as you recognize this isn’t about changing anything now and it is about winning the future election.
Because once the shutdown begins, everyone on Lemmy thinks that Democrats agreeing to open the government back up without any real concessions is a crime against humanity.
Even though they achieved the only goal they could possibly achieve, which is winning the public opinion vote.
It also means if shutting the government down could result in you losing favor, then it is better to just agree to whatever BS is necessary to keep the government open.
They can certainly do both. Make a small win to prove it wasn’t for nothing and show to voters they’re actually fighting for them.
Boomer Humor DoomergodRepublicans are just better at this.
No, you’re thinking like a mislead Republican.
Let's talk about Johnson and Trump tanking a Monday end to the shutdown....
How so? I don’t watch youtube, so please provide your own argument.
No. I assume you have eyes and ears. Use them. If you don’t watch YouTube then you can at least read up on wtf you’re talking about by throwing it in a search engine or something.
“Do your own research!!!1!”
Store-bought is fine, but having ingredients is nonnegotiable.
In other words: more facts and understanding, less talking out of ass.
No, it’s that Republicans don’t give a shit about the Federal Government and want to drown it in the bathtub. So a shutdown actually plays into their long term plan.
On the other hand, Democrats find value in the Federal Government, and are acutely aware of how damaging a shutdown in, both due to the temporary interruption in services and the damage to morale of Federal workers. All stuff Republicans don’t care about either. They view Federal workers as the enemy. They want them to all quit, and probably wish much less charitable things on them in private.
The damage is done. The fascists are running the federal government into the ground while its open. Closing it is one of the only tools for leverage the Dems have.
How is this so hard to understand?
Are you an intern in Chuck Schumer’s office or something?
On the other hand, Democrats find value in the Federal Government, and are acutely aware of how damaging a shutdown in, both due to the temporary interruption in services and the damage to morale of Federal workers.
While you are correct that the conservatives want to privatize the fed, I think you are incorrect in believing that means it serves the Republican party to shut down the government.
Even the most libertarian Republican knows that his base depends on federal programs just as much as their opposition. With them controlling the legislative and executive its hard for them to make the blame stick on Democrats alone. Which is why most people blamed the last shutdown on the Republican party, and why it was so disadvantageous for the Dems to stop the shutdown before they could leverage it for more power.
What the Republicans understand better than the Democrats is that it is not the job of the minority party to ensure the government is running as intended. It’s their job to leverage what power they have to make sure they are representing the will of their constituents.
Your understanding of the situation is through the lens of thirdway politics, a political ideology that values compromise to free up political gridlock. The problem with thirdway politics and the Democratic party since they adopted the ideology is that it forces Dems to be the adults in every political dispute, and slowly gives the opposition the advantage and control of what encompasses the middle ground. It’s the reason why the right has been able to go further and further right, and why the Democrats are mostly center right.