Mastodawn

V'ger Feb 4

@Sci_Fi_FanGirl I belive so. People will refuse to provide gender affirming health care in fear of being sued for millions afterwards. Not considering the probability of occurance, which is obviously outweighed by the interests of any trans person.

@vger Yes. Or you have to sign a hundred non-liability clauses... which will be bad in case of actual malpractice.

@Sci_Fi_FanGirl Argh... Gender affirming health care has very low regret rates, detransitioning is extremely rare. But - yes, this case will make it harder for everyone. As if the political landscape wasn't bad enough as it is for transgender people. And it plays right into the TERF argument "but they are minors, how could they possibly know?"

It's worth noting that this was a jury decision, so this is very likely the result of the current political climate in the US. I assume that this legal fight will go to the next instance but whether it will change anything is an open question...

@Sci_Fi_FanGirl And of course her autism and ADHD diagnoses are being thrown into the mix for why she couldn't possibly make that decision. 🤢

EinsPossum, Hass-Ära 2.0 Feb 4

@Sci_Fi_FanGirl @Newstrujew yikes.

@Newstrujew Exactly. It is *one* case, but it will be used to justify any transphobic cruelty.

@Sci_Fi_FanGirl And reading about this case, I'm left with lots of questions. It appears that she was happy with the results right after the surgery, she doesn't deny having made such statements. Now she blames it on "cognitive dissonance". What happened in between? There are lots of accusations towards the doctors about having set ideas into her head. But it sounds a lot like somebody else has been setting ideas into her head *after* the surgery.

@Newstrujew IIRC the doctors were accused of not explaining thoroughly enough that the surgery would have irreversible effects (even with breast implants, she wouldn't be able to breastfeed). And I'm asking myself what role the parents play. They must have talked about the procedure and the consequences? We don't know if she felt pressured in any way to detransition.

@Sci_Fi_FanGirl Supposedly, the mother was against the surgery and only agreed because she was afraid that her daughter would commit suicide otherwise. An idea supposedly reinforced by the psychologist (who has been working with her for two years at this point). They are generally accusing the psychologist of pressuring her into the surgery and ignoring her uncertainty about her gender identity.

Quite frankly, having seen only some basic infos on her condition prior to surgery, I have little doubt that the psychologist had good reasons to advise a surgery. And saying "they should have waited until her depression was contained" is utter bullshit - how long is one supposed to wait with a depression *caused* in part by gender dysphoria?