Firefox for Web DevelopersAI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
Fabio Neves 🇨🇦🇧🇷@firefoxwebdevs Great. Make it the default. Listen to the survey.
wojtek@fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?
aburka 🫣@aburka @fabio @firefoxwebdevs to gauge the interest of particular population and "feelings"?
this profile has less than 5k followers, participation in the survey was probably around that.
Thinking that this would impact the setup for millions of users is kinda… "cute" xD
Jakub Klawiter 
@wojtek
Because optIn is better than optOut.
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs
Yes! I know! Firefox, with each update should present a new-tab-page forcing users selecting all new additions. You know - some may not want new JS api! Or CSS adding animations! /s
@wojtek
Nope, it's not the same.
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs sure! ;)
but let's step back - why do you want it to be "opt-out"?
Eleanor Saitta@wojtek
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs Because it exposes users to a wide variety of technical and cognitive hazards, has a significant labor rights and ecological impact, is changing the structure of public discourse in ways that are broadly incompatible with democracy, and represents a fundamental change in what the piece of software the users are installing does, ontologically. Why do you think it's justified forcing that change on anyone who doesn't notice it's there or understand why they might not want it?
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs Because it exposes users to a wide variety of technical and cognitive hazards, has a significant labor rights and ecological impact, is changing the structure of public discourse in ways that are broadly incompatible with democracy, and represents a fundamental change in what the piece of software the users are installing does, ontologically. Why do you think it's justified forcing that change on anyone who doesn't notice it's there or understand why they might not want it?
@dymaxion @wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs considering all that - should we just ban the browser altogether?
Let's break it down:
- cognitive and technical hazzards: browser allow opening any "social"-network -- check
- public discourse -- as above
- having AI as a feature doesn't change what the software does as noone from mozilla puts a gun to user head to click on "summarise the page" button -- this is still on the user
:D
EDIT: also - should we also force Mozilla/Firefox to blacklist all "AI" websites if we are at it? Because if we don't then all those points that you mentioned can still be valid as user can just open the webpage with selected AI service… ;)
@wojtek
Right, you're clearly not interested in a conversation, so I'll let you go troll in peace
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs
Right, you're clearly not interested in a conversation, so I'll let you go troll in peace
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs
cwicseolfor@dymaxion This did not get the recognition it deserves for breadth and lucidity despite high concision, so *thank you* for putting it out there, even if the prompting party was about as receptive as a shoe-pebble.
@wojtek Interesting that you have a Vivaldi.net account, a browser that famously doesn’t include any AI features. Your question is a bit strange in this context, or maybe it’s just a bad attempt at being a contrarian.
Jake Archibald@fabio @wojtek it does include translation, which people consider to be AI https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746. It even sends the text off-device to be translated, whereas Firefox does it on-device for privacy.
@jaffathecake @fabio true that… and "2,977 people" voted…
@fabio oh! what a great detective work! maybe you should dig some more to find more discrepancies? /s
I have account on vivaldi.net because I was an avid fan Opera (before they switched to chrome and then sell off to china) and when original crew started Vivaldi I got excited but it turned out it's not that great but I still got the account. I didn't use fedi all that much (tbh I started using it more only a couple of months back) but I already had an account on vivaldi so I stuck with that because "it just works".
Now, how on earth one could draw conclussion on personal perspective based only on an account domain is beyond me xDDDDD
I guess this can come only from "brave fighters" that see world black and white so in my case I should eradicate Vivaldi and this account from my computer because I wasn't completely "anti-AI"? xDDD
@wojtek bad attempt of being a contrarian it is.
Nik@wojtek @firefoxwebdevs What do you think about the ethical concerns?
@nikclayton @firefoxwebdevs of the AI? I would dance on the bonfire on bigtech ;)
alas -- I do find certain uses of LLMs (not necesarily what altman is doing) in general having some uses… that's all.