silence7Your friends are still acting like everything is normal in America. What do you do? All Americans live in a “dual state.” Here’s what that means — and how to help others see it.
EmpireInDecayEverything happening right now is normal for the US, the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention. The ones protesting are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE.
BertramDitoreEverything? Really? That’s bold. I’ve been around for a while, and I personally can’t remember a time when 3000 armed, masked, untrained and unaccountable thugs were let loose by the federal government on individual cities to openly terrorize, incite, and murder the general population.
It can’t be more clear that he’s trying to normalize this. His message is that we shouldn’t do anything and just let happen because we didn’t do anything before this.
But really he’s just desperate that we don’t fight back. He wants Russia and China to win through Trump decimating the US.
I think it’s more likely that they are trying to break through the walls of capitalist propaganda and make people realize that the USA has always been fascist-oriented and that getting rid of this latest symptom (Trump) will not fix that. After all, fascism is imperialism turned inward. We desperately need a wholesale movement away from capitalism and towards socialism to actually ensure that fascism cannot rise again.
You’re not fighting back, this will blow over in a few weeks and it will go back to business as usual, brown people getting targeted and harassed, white people not so much. Liberals protest individual cogs in the machine, as if replacing e a cog changes the function of the machine. Right now they are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE. They are protesting Trump when they should be protesting the entire oligarchy. Liberals don’t mind fascism as long as they don’t have to see it.
Whether you realize it or not, you are argu8ng for inaction. Stop that.
You can give up if you want, but don’t try to drag others down with you
I havnt given up, I’m protesting the entire system not just the one that dragged me from brunch
And you’re not doing shit either but trolling, you’re such a tiny cog in the same system but don’t even realize it.
Go outside and learn to actually socialize and organize actual opposition and do something useful with your energy instead of trying to pretend you despise others so you don’t get sad when they say your words are dumb.
Pure arrogance on display, I’m in my community weekly to assist in mutual aid, unlike most liberals who protest with social media hashtags
btsaxSo a thing from almost 60 years ago? That was a tragedy and eventually led to a course correction on Vietnam. Hardly an example of “business as usual”
Well I can’t assume what the op meant. But I think the spirit is how what’s going on isn’t normal. And I think using an example like that is in itself unique and this is also not normal. Both of those things are rare and if anything prove the point that we shouldn’t be here and we should be alarmed with what is happening.
How about the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Sudan, Myanmar, or any of the other countless places where US capitalism has incited genocide, murder, rape, and torture. Or is it only fascism when it happens inside our borders to white people?
Sort of feels like you’re just baiting here. We’re talking about domestic issues in this thread.
Millions killed since Kent State by the state. Kent State is remembered because, again, it was a bunch of white people
In a single mass casualty event? Ohh nevermind you’re one of those ml accounts.
When the weak minded have no argument they always resort to ad hominem argumentum
Can’t help it if .world doesn’t know fascism when they see it
You’re the one that doesn’t see it. You’re out here telling people this is normal and not do anything
This is normal, you sit there in smug arrogance defending a police state as long as you don’t t have to think about it.
Yes, yes, America bad. We get it.
Hey, just out of curiosity, did anything noteworthy happen on June 4, 1989?
You talking about the US CIA color revolution that failed?
Previously, ICE was only set loose to terrorize, incite, and murder the brown population. So yeah, this is pretty much business as usual.
ICE wasn’t previously “let loose,” the deportation process existed (and happened way too often), but people received due process.
Due process by who, Obama denied due process to 75% of the millions he deported
Lmfao who’s ass did you pull that from?
I’m not an Obama Stan but the immigration policy was pretty tame during his administration.
There was a shift from voluntary removals (aka tossing them back over the border) to formal proceedings and a change to prioritize recent arrivals, those caught at the border and felons. By 2013, 87% of removals were in this top priority category.
So contrary to whatever edgy narrative you’re imagining in your head, immigration enforcement was nothing like this before.
The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporter in Chief or Not?
President Obama faced criticism over his administration's handling of immigration enforcement from both the left and the right, labeled "deporter in chief" even as he was also accused of lax enforcement. A closer examination of his administration's record paints a more nuanced picture. This article explores how immigration enforcement practices shifted to achieve two key goals over the course of the Obama era.
who’s ass did you pull that from
The ACLU, I know their kind of reporting isnt typical brunch discussion so Ii see how you could have missed it.
Neat, appreciate the source. None of that refutes anything in my source and in fact the two paint the same picture. Obama’s policy decision to formalize removals put more cases in the court docket. This (and other factors) put a massive backlog on reviews and they cut corners for the 80% of ostensibly open/shut cases.
Could Obama have done way better? Absolutely. But compared to the previous two administrations keeping things off book, it was still a step in the right direction to bring those to light in the formal process.
You keep saying “brunch” which I assume is to imply that everyone who’s mad now was blissfully unaware of any problems 10 years ago. Not only is that not true but it’s massively disingenuous.
DACA was a bandaid, but even as a gesture it showed an entirely different atmosphere around immigration and reform. Somehow Obama using his executive power to mitigate a problem is the same as Trump telling DACA kids to self deport while ethnically cleansing entire cities?
Gtfo you clown
You’re wrong about this. It’s a reasonable position during the first presidency, but under this one it is not “equal opportunity oppression”. White people of privilege being murdered in the streets by cops isn’t the new equality… It’s the new ceiling. It doesn’t mean everyone else has new company in the oppression floor, it means everyone now at the bottom will be shoved into darker depths than some might imagine.
Typical .ml tankie bullshit take.
Exactly. AmeriKKKa has been a shithole for a long long while now. Hope they all rot.
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JoeBigelowYou realize that all working class folks, internationally, are your peers? And you just spat on ~300 million people, many of whom are suffering and many if not most of whom didn’t vote for that suffering. Have some compassion and solidarity for fucks sake. Did you wish the same thing on Greek people when their economy collapsed?
The Greek didn’t cause death and misery to every country on the globe across their much, much older history. Compared to a nation founded on racism, death, and greed, they’re literal saints.
Will you name me a first world nation that wasn’t built on 2 out of 3 of those things? Are your politicians and billionaires also saints? Why are you going on like this after I brought up compassion and solidarity for other people in your socioeconomic class despite their nation of origin? Am I a greedy racist killer because my great great whatever grandfather had no option but to leave where he was for whatever reason (famine, war, oppression)?
I am really interested in your answers to these questions, because they are meant to be collaborative, despite what seems like your insistence to be antagonistic.
It’s about damage caused / duration of its existence. Find me a nation that perpetrated as much as the US has, in such little time. I’m waiting.
You guys are concentrated evil.
Well man, fuck you too than.
qevlarrOh shit, it’s one of those “anti-imperialist” takes again where they only consider the US and ignore everyone else’s imperialism. Big yawn. You realize this is 100% parroting Russian propaganda invented in the Soviet days, right? Go ask the Eastern bloc countries if they weren’t imperialist. Yes, America bad but don’t make it your whole personality 🙄
If you didn’t notice this post is about the US. But of course you are so enlightened that you are impervious to any form of propaganda, specifically the US version
It’s that arrogant hubris that’s caused our current situation.
Does America have sordid events in her history? Yes.
But to take a “same shit, different day” stance isn’t just myopic, it assists the present admin by attempting to place the actions of the day in the “normal” zone.
The white people part breaks the inertia, the dismissiveness, the head in the sand aspect OP is referring to.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement are just out doing immigration and customs enforcement things, right? Right up until they shoot two white people in the head.
We’re talking broad strokes perception management here. Most of the public doesn’t have time, inclination is separate, to dig in like the people of Lemmy or the still earnest corners of Reddit, or the journalist/HCR/Robert Reich essay writing corner of Substack.
They vaguely know Immigration & Customs Enforcement are out deporting people. A layer deeper they might know it’s harassment of immigrants and that protestors are protesting. Let’s be real about what “immigrants” means to most Americans: brown people, mainly in the form of Mexicans and Haitians, are being rounded up and deported. But, for the most part, agree or disagree with immigration policy, they’re thinking Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing that, what their name says.
Right up until someone clearly not fitting the immigrant profile is BAM shot in the head.
Why not Porter? I’m not going to try to argue that color doesn’t matter here. It does. But unlike Floyd, Porter is missing the fundamental piece that creates action like back in 2020: video. Good and Pretti had video. It’s why they target journalists first with the gas now. Video presence matters.
As for the two white people. The world is always more dismissive of women, we are forever placed in the “it’s her fault” zone, but even so. Pretti is unique because he’s also making conservative heads spin around. 2A, VA, a trade adjacent profession, a most trusted profession, an helping/service profession, and he’s a white man, the pinnacle of MAGA.
With Pretti, it’s a coffin nail on the idea that Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing immigration and customs enforcement things. Pretti completely changes the narrative, for most.
This is just so dismissive of the ugly history behind ICE that I’m actually slightly disgusted.
Everything happening right now is normal for the US, the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention.
This is such bullshit
You say bullshit because you feel targeted by the statement. Your type haven’t been upset before Goode because you didn’t have to face it, and it’s easy to dismiss victims that don’t look like you.
They’re a .ml user, should tell you enough right there.
I used to doubt such stereotypes when I started on Lemmy but now I don’t, every single interaction I’ve had with a .ml user has been an exercise in daycare for troubled youths. They are literal children, and have the most deluded, horseshoe-theory-personified, edgelord, leftist-MAGA takes I’ve ever seen online.
You have leftists because we make you feel like that bad people you are. We make you face the evil you support.
I’ll pass on this anime roleplay villain talk, I didn’t bring a costume or anything. Thanks. Bye.
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