flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)Sonic the playwright
FelixCressThey are also less likely to recognise Julius Caesar. And guess what - they both dead and not exactly on a top of the press.
There have been like 110 billions humans ever, and only a single blue anthropomorphic hedgehog.
They could read one play and solve both of those issues!
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And thatās good.
It would be time to stop with this stupid cult of personality that never brings anything other than fascism and sects.
I'm not seeing how the Shakespeare > fascism pipeline is supposed to work here, much less how it's a greater threat than "megacorps controlling culture" > fascism
Cult of personality -> fascism
Shakespeare for example has been a very typical symbol of british āprideā which is one of the main roots of fascism.
But yeah, sure, itās not the worst one. The problem here is this fascination that people have for historical figures, where it doesnāt matter whether you know the work of Shakespeare, what matters is that you know him and how he looks, as the post shows.
Why do you think Trump supporters have no clue what he actually did does ? They donāt care because they follow the person, not the act.
When you start worshipping people, you never end up in a good place.
DiplomjodlerYou can appreciate art without worshipping anyone. In fact, a deeper understanding of art will also teach you about the flaws and the humanity of the creators. Also, the best defence against fascism is education, which art is an indispensable part of.
Yes, but this isnāt what the post is about.
Here itās about knowing who Shakespeare is, and actually even worse, knowing how he looked.
Thereās no mention of Hamlet or Macbeth, thereās no mention of art in any kind, to the point where the artist is being compared to a character (ultimately, art).
People donāt give a crap about the art of Shakespeare, they just have to know him because heās famous and supposedly a genius or whatever, so you need to know his name and his face. Thereās no art in that, and no education either because knowing the name and face of a dead guy never brought any form of knowledge.
Shakespeare isnāt an artist. He is an icon, a holy figure, an absolute reference that became close to a deity in peopleās perception, similar Mozart, Einstein, etc. Heck, how many people know Einstein and his face, compared to how many know his works?
This is where fascism hides. If you can consider anyone to be godlike without even knowing what they did, itās easy for you to do the same with a Hitler or a Trump. You believe blindly because it is a cult of personality.
Yeah, hereās a big secret: people are interested in people. I donāt understand why that triggers you so much.
That seems like an awfully broad application of the term "cult of personality". Usually that term implies the personality in question influencing people's actions either with or similarly to political power. People just think that Shakespeare made excellent plays and literature
I also don't think it's reasonable to say that people are only enamoured with the idea of him as an exceptional writer that is English when there is still widespread study and performance of his work; people are clearly still engaging with the actual work, not just the image of him
But yeah, sure, it's not the worst one
Okay but you explicitly said "good" not to a post about people not recognising Shakespeare, but one about more people recognising Sonic than Shakespeare
But corporate mascots designed to maximise franchise profitability are so much better?
Yes, yes they are. Because itās much less likely that people will use Sonic as a national symbol of cultural superiority.
ÉÆį“uoŹuÉWhat interesting thinking. Let me just check something.
Itās ok to kill puppies, because otherwise they might be adopted by fascist dog owners and trained to attack antifascists and minorities.
bonenodeAnd Baby Boomers are more likely to recognize Big Bird. These are colorful anthropomorphic animals that were ubiquitous during our childhood, while Shakespeare is just some balding dude with a thin mustache and a big collar.
They believe Big Bird is a domestic terrorist. Of course they recognize him.
lumpenproletariatRomeo: O, let us hence; I gotta go fast.
Is it common to remember faces of long dead people?
considering that shakespearās plays were written in early modern English- which is basically an entirely different language than we speak todayā¦ the vast majoriity of people alive today would never actually recognize one.
A translation of one, sure. but nope. they probably wouldnāt even understand it.
Needs must I hie with great haste!
Gotta go fast
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DigitalprimateNah fam, you just aināt had it done right: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6CLdCl9TB0
To Be Or Not To Be - Hamlet (Andrew Scott Full Soliloquy)
Wow. That wasā¦ really good. Iām glad you shared it!
I was lucky long ago in high school. Our lit teacher forbid us to read Shakespeare outside the classroom. Instead, we read along as we listened to the RSCās recordings of the play at the same time.
Saw him do this live and he was predictably incredible
Thatās my point.
Thatās not Early Modern English. Confusingly, Earky Modern is a precursor to the language we speak today.
Itās close enough a language that we can kinda muddle through it, we can translate it and most will never realize they did more than change some spelling, but most people have still never see it performed in the original- mostly because we would be muddling through and missing things.
queermunist she/herThis isnāt even about Shakspearās plays, itās about his physical appearance.
Not exactly a useful metric.
Needs must I hie with great haste!
Gotta go fast
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Getting a time machine so I can catch Shakespeare up on 35 years of Sonic lore so he can write 16 different kinds of fire ass plays of varying genres.
Looking forward to Shadow soliloquies
Sonic is designed to be highly recognisable and interacting with Sonic media necessary means you see Sonic a whole lot, even seeing just a few adverts for the franchise is already enough to make you remember it. Shakespeareās looks are known only on the basis of a couple of portraits, most of which are probably not even based on Shakespeareās looks directly, and theyāre all completely irrelevant for interacting with Shakespeareās work.
titanicxMaybe Shakespeare wasā¦
Tbh if anything that debate probably contributed to Shakespeareās (and his imagesā) prominence in popular culture rather than reduced it.
Not amongst serious people though. Shakespeareās life is well documented but rather dull. He just happened to be a terrific observer of human behaviour
I am Cinna the Poet!
Wait, does anybody knows how he looks? I thought his identiy isnt fully uncovered?
Sonic yeah Iāve seen him. Seen Shakespeare in Hamnet too but donāt think he looks like the pictures.
mercWait, this is about physical appearance?
Shakespeare comes from a time before cameras, obviously. But, not only that, there were no portraits of him painted in his lifetime. And to add to the confusion, there were no physical descriptions made of him during his lifetime. The only information we have on what he looked like come from about a decade after his death. One is an engraving, the other is a (IMO) low quality bust from his funerary monument. In addition, Shakespeare is such a generic-looking guy of his time that there are portraits of other people that were misidentified as being portraits of Shakespeare because they feature slim white guys with goatees in a ruffle collar.
Compare that to Sonic. Heās a character that was designed to stand out visually, and one where the company that makes Sonic games is still, to this day, generating new media with photos and videos of him.
So, if an actual portrait of Shakespeare were discovered and shown to Shakespeare experts, I think even then thereās a decent chance theyād more easily recognize Sonic. After all, a āShakespeare expertā isnāt an expert on what he looked like. Theyāre an expert on his writing.
UnderpantsWeevilNo they arenāt. Theyāre the baseline for a superabundance of modern cinema and theater.
Romeo x Juliet is the cornerstone of a thousand romance novels and heist thrillers. Hamlet is the backbone of modern horror. Julius Caeser is every political drama. The Tempest, every disaster movie. Comic books draw on them. Musically draw on them.
Every graduate of Julliard has performed in a dozen Shakespeare plays. Every British comedian can recite a few works by heart. The periodic remake still consistently fills theaters.
Shakespeare is the most playgerized man in history.
CorkyskogIts not like those are all original ideas though. Romeo and Juliet is the poem āThe tragical history of Romeus and Julietā just tweaked into a play.
Sure. Half of Shakespeareās work is adoption or embellishments on Greek myth and British folklore.
But we get a blockbuster every year or three thatās just King Lear with the serial numbers filed off
That is my one GenX/Millenial complaint. We used to have a common literary background up until just into 2000, at least in the US. We all read Shakespeare and Chaucer. Beowulf, The Grapes of Wrath, Of Mice and Men, The Diary of Anne Frank, The Great Gatsby, To Kill a Mockingbird. We all had a similar base to start from.
Then I saw a short on YouTube where a 40 something man said to his wife āNo, sir. I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I bite my thumb, sir.ā So many comments of people being totally lost as his statement seemed out of nowhere and when people read explanations they still didnāt get it. It perfectly fit the situation AND it was not scripted as the wife was trying to show him being an ass (in a teasing way).
Do you know what a Catch-22 is? If not then you are missing common phrases you would have learned in english class had you attended up to the year 2000.
spittingimageI think a lot of people would change their minds about Shakespeare if you explain some of the dirty jokes to them.
Shakespeare the hedgehog