geneva_convenienceHasan Piker banned from Twitch for calling ICE supporters "rabid ultra-Zionist pigs'
Goldholz THAT GOT HIM BANNED??? NOT THE ANIMAL ABUSE??
proleHate the dude because you disagree with him (or are jealous of his looks or some shit), but the animal abuse stuff is so fucking dumb
What makes someone look like an animal abuser to you?
KoboldCoterieWell, being on video committing animal abuse, for one.
Have you ever had a dog (specifically a large breed) before?
Edit: fuck shock collars, btw. Hope the implication here is not that big dogs need them. See my reply below.
Sarah Valentine (she/her)If your next point is that a shock collar is necessary to train a large dog, first of all you’re wrong about that. But let’s say it is. Do you think it’s ethical to “train” the dog to sit in the same spot on camera for hours on end, for streamer content? Because you’d be wrong there too. There is no defending Hasan’s treatment of his dog.
It’s not a fucking shock collar anyways he literally showed the model and everything.
He suckered you. Congratulations, you’re gullible.
I’d say the same to you, his evidence was pretty convincing
We live in a post evidence world. These folks don’t accept any evidence that goes against their views.
Zos_KiaI’m sorry but the people who sell you those talking points are banking on the fact that you never watch Hasan’s stream. And it’s working !
It takes all of 5 minutes to go through his stream history and realize that the dog is only there a fraction of the time. It’s just living its dog life, sometimes coming on the cot, sometimes going off camera for a moment or an hour or two. The idea that he forces her to be on-screen for hours on end like some sort of decoration only makes sense if you never ever watch any of his content apart from pre-compiled “video evidence”. That is why when they compile said “video evidence” it will always be streams that are weeks or even months apart. They’ll edit together moments of him scolding/training the dog, with that occasional episode where she stayed in the cot for a couple hours, with some minute moment where it kinda sorta looks like he’s activating something off camera if you squint and look backwards into a scratched mirror.
It’s trivial to debunk but teenagers on social media love it and they will lap that shit right off the plate, even contributing with their own “evidence” and theories. They’ll trip over themselves trying to make the crime look as heinous as they can imagine, it’s normal it’s just a way to learn social codes through role-playing.
That was not my next point. It was not a shock collar, it was a big dog getting her dew claw caught on her bed and yelping. That’s it.
I’ve had big, clumsy dogs. They are always hurting themselves and knocking shit over with their awkward appendages.
I appreciate your measured response, but just parroting the Hasan defenders’ damage control narrative at me without anything else to back it up, is not at all convincing.
To be clear though, I think ICE supporters are rabid Zionists. Evangelical cult-religion fills their mind with Zionist propaganda, particularly concerning the so-called “end times” and Israel’s place in that sequence of events.
I just wish people would learn about these things from someone less shitty than Hasan. Cults of personality where thousand of rabid parasocial youths descend upon their hero’s perceived enemies with personal attacks at the slightest provocation are bad, no matter which way they lean politically.
I have! They’re beautiful. I never needed anything more than a standard leash and collar.
That said, I know nothing about this incident or the random Internet personality that no one seems to care about. I’m just chiming in because I like dogs.
ElcaineVoltajust curious, do you eat animals?
Not to the satisfaction of people who care about the ethical treatment of pets.
just pets?
No, I also believe in the ethical treatment of strawmen /s
inb4_FoundTheVeganOh whatever, don’t even play that card. If you actually cared about animal welfare then doing even the barest amount of research into Kaya would show it’s BS.
Your misplaced outrage is just virtue signaling.
Oh whatever, don’t even play that proto-vegan card
I genuinely have no idea what that’s supposed to mean.
If you actually cared about animal welfare, or just pets I guess, then doing even the barest amount of research into Kaya would show it’s BS.
I watched the video of the abuse happening on stream. I listened to the meritless counterpoints of Hasan’s defenders. I don’t know what other “research” you think I should do.
Your misplaced outrage is nothing but virtue signaling.
Again with the nonsense accusations. Are you incapable of having this conversation without making shit up about the people you’re arguing with? I’m not going to tolerate it. Good day.
SchmooI watched the video of the abuse happening on stream.
You watched a clip of Hasan’s dog catching her dewclaw on the edge of her bed and yelping, and Hasan being kind of rude about it because he was in the middle of a heated rant. You only think he used a shock collar because a bunch of drama slop-tubers made ‘analysis’ videos claiming to prove that he did with about the same rigor as right-wing ‘transvestigators’ claiming every school shooter is trans.
You should let scientists know you’ve developed telepathy and can determine what someone else has or hasn’t seen without being told. I’m sure they’d be fascinated. I’m not.
Are you seriously playing the “you didn’t deny this specific thing therefore your accuser must be right” card? That’s an unacceptable and juvenile attack, not even close to a good-faith attempt at arguing the issue.
No no, we should all scream and argue about Hasan’s stupid fucking dog while people are getting executed in the street.
This shit is why I don’t identify with leftism in America anymore. The complete, willful discarding of power and political capital for the sake of performatism and identity politics. I will still fight fascism to my last breath but I hate you fuckwits out there who think you’re going to win updoots while standing in line for the “showers.”
I would prefer not to have to talk about this, but this is part of how the alt-right has gained cultural hegemony in the US (at least on the internet). I’m not going to spend all my time arguing about it, but when I see someone repeating disinformation about a high-profile leftist commentator I’m going to challenge it because it harms the ability of the left to organize.
I give modest pushback against these edgy kids trying to earn social credit for pushing back on high-visibility targets, but I also don’t want to get dragged down into these absolutely brain-damaged arguments like, who tweeted the “R-slur” five years ago or if someone’s dog made a noise. It’s actual destruction to our future to allow this to distract us, and most of the time it’s completely manufactured. There are armies of people out there prowling the internet for ways to drive wedges between us socially. Not a lie, not a conspiracy, actual fact.
At the end of the day, if there’s a media personality you can’t stand, you can in fact just not watch them.
You watched a clip of Hasan’s dog catching her dewclaw on the edge of her bed and yelping, and Hasan being kind of rude about it because he was in the middle of a heated rant.
He started yelling at her when she started moving, not when she yelped. He keeps her as fucking set dressing behind him and yells when she moves. Whether he actually shocked her or not is secondary to that behavior.
He keeps her as fucking set dressing behind him and yells when she moves.
You saw him do something once in a clip (yelling the ‘place’ command at Kaya when she gets up), didn’t understand why, and assumed he does that every time she moves without bothering to check yourself despite there being hundreds of hours of footage of him not doing that.
He is making her lay on the elevated bed instead of the hardwood floor so she doesn’t develop hip problems, which are common in large dog breeds. He’s fine with her getting up and leaving, and she often does (again, hundreds of hours of footage), just not with her laying down on the hardwood floor, which is what he probably thought she was doing in that clip.
You saw him do something once in a clip
Something you straight up fucking lied about in the previous comment and then immediately shifted the goalpost.
You literally shifted the goalpost from “Hasan shocked his dog” to “Hasan uses his dog as set dressing by preventing her from moving,” and you’re putting it on me because I shifted in response. Also, what lie? Nothing in my comments contradict one another, they’re just talking about different parts of the clip because I was following your own goalposts.
idk if we’re allowed to post links to YT vid in the comments, but there’s a dude called Mujin who collected all the proof that Hasan is in fact abusing his dog, and put it in a single video.
Hon, this situation is literally the exact definition of virtue signaling. You care more about expressing how against animal abuse you are, over the actual facts of what happened. Which is the same reason I call it proto-veganism. You’re misusing the language of animal welfare advocates to instead be loud about one particular pet issue. (Pun intended)
Look sis, if all you’re asserting is that the video looked like abuse and all explanations to the contrary are baseless from biased parties, then there is very little I can say to convince you otherwise. I’m sure you think I’m a Hasan lover, when I truth I can’t stand the man. His whole dude bro yelling style stresses me the fuck out, agree with his politics, but I NEVER watch his stream. Don’t even have a twitch account.
So instead of going through all the points/counterpoints of this conspiracy can I just ask you to occams razor this? Is it more likely Hasan has secretly been shocking her for years, taping over prongs when accused and gaslighting everyone who comes to his house? Or that she bumps her paw against the bed, which you can clearly see in the video, and yelps at the same time Hasan reaches for something on his desk?
Look, you can make a tinfoil hat about anything you want. No one could stop you. Maybe I’ve been tricked. Believe what you want. But fundamentally, with all of the racist, sexist and transphobic shit happening in the US, is putting your energy towards Hasans dog really a good use of time? Even in the scope of animal abuse, this is nothing compared to the daily abuse of the meat and dairy industries.
ɯᴉuoʇuɐBut fundamentally, with all of the racist, sexist and transphobic shit happening in the US, is putting your energy towards Hasans dog really a good use of time?
…they said, after writing a wall of text about Hasan’s dog.
There is no video of abuse. You’re a moron who believes whatever narrative someone spins up for you. Get lost.
Well that’s just hypocritical, to say I’m a moron who believes whatever narrative someone else spins up for me, which is a narrative that you yourself are spinning up for god-knows-who. Shame on you.
Tempus FugitIf you’re that die hard then you know owning a pet in and of itself is animal abuse.
You’re free to think that, but acting like it’s a fact everyone should agree with is just not okay.
Please feel free to enlighten me on how forcing animals into shelters against their will and not giving them the attention and time they would get in their natural habitat is any different than jails or prisons for humans.
99%?
Cats domesticated themselves, the ones living around people found that they had a higher chance of survival if they stayed around humans. Humans kept them around as they hunted pests and this lead to them breeding more and so we have modern domesticated cats.
They live longer, they have shelter when they want it, they roam outside when they want to. They get attention and affection from humans and play or fight with other cats.
Dont know if i would call that abuse
(From google)
Around 10,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent, wild cats (specifically Felis silvestris lybica) were drawn to early human farming settlements to hunt the rodents that infested grain stores. Cats with a more tolerant, less fearful temperament thrived, creating a natural, self-driven selection process.
I don’t disagree that there is mutual benefit from pet ownership, but I believe animals should be left to their own free will.
I love cats, but they would roam outside if we let them. Cats then decimate bird, small mammal, and pollinator populations.
I don’t judge those that own pets in a negative light at all BTW. In fact when I visit friends I typically devote a majority of my time loving on their pets. I just think it’s important to remember that we’re forcing these animals into situations they didn’t advocate for. At least to me it is unethical.
I love cats, but they would roam outside if we let them. Cats then decimate bird, small mammal, and pollinator populations.
And the alternative is to euthanize them or keep them as indoor pets (obviously neutered / spayed just in case, and so they don’t piss everywhere lol).
So… pet ownership seems like the best choice of the 3 options to me. It may not be the cat’s preferred option in all circumstances, but in a net-good sense, it’s the best choice.
Isn’t that just convenient.
fallaciousBasis5 gallon bucket. Just add water.
Guy IngonitoWhy bother defending a streamer that uses a shock collar to keep his dog on camera for views
I don’t recall defending him.
Hasan shocked his dog, if that’s what you mean. Animal abuse? No. The dog is relatively fine and spoiled.
quick question, are you vegan?
It was pretty obvious since you value an alleged dog shock collar more than brown babies