We Want Collapse
We Want Collapse
For staying out of it and trying to convince liberals to stay out of it, so that the motivated fascists outvote the staying-at-home liberals.
That’s the whole goal of accelerationism; it’s not an accident.
Yeah and I’d love if the ingredients in my fridge became a fully cooked meal instantly
Unfortunately sometimes you need an intermediate step… May not be easy or pretty.
I wish it could be so, though.
I’m not even focused on its origins because many things start for one reason and continue for another but the problem with the US is that it never fundamentally changed. Its methods changed, its culture changed, but the result is still fundamentally the same, just slower and more devious.
You could retain the territory and people but the system itself must fundamentally change, which as you stated can likely only happen through revolution, because the system certainly does not seem capable of overhauling itself.
Can’t do that without revolution.
Which is still about a century away.
The vast, vast majority of this country who are marginally invested in politics and the needs of capital to secure that stability will override whatever political ambitions any leadership has in the long-term. All of the current crisis is still just a flash in the pan, it will pass, the pendulum will swing the other way and the cycle will continue. I’ve been watching it a long ass time, I have seen nothing yet that makes me believe the country will experience wide-scale change.
It’s going to get more authoritarian broadly, it’s going to have more unrest and reduced rights, particularly as the climate changes and the immigration situation gets a lot more inflamed as refugees start piling up to get in, but right now, unless a LOT of people make a lot of huge changes to their media consumption habits, we’re going to see a rougher, nastier status-quo for decades to come.
The USA is a HUGE boat that turns slowly, it’s not one country, it’s 50. And because of that, small changes have huge consequences but only decades down the line. Few people who haven’t actually traveled the nation really get the scale involved and what has to change before we see lasting change.
With every crisis, with every bit of imperilism that dies, the Statesian public becomes more aware of their chains. Media is only useful for giving people narratives they want to agree with, not for convincing people outright. The Empire is dying, and with it comes dramatic radicalization. Even looking at younger generations over time, communism is rapidly rising in popularity:
Quantitative buildup is reaching qualitative leaps, like heating water until it boils. It looks like nothing’s happening until suddenly everything is.
If you can use this data to forecast estimates, and popularity growth can be assumed to be linear, we’d be at least two generations away from a majority in the latest generation at that time; and another 2-3 generations so that there’s an overall majority in the entire country by then.
So it seems to be half a century, as an optimistic estimate, for there to be an overall majority, not including time needed for political reorganization.
It seems appropriate to conclude that someone living today shouldn’t expect the revolution in their lifetime.
Me too, but I also believe that collapse is a fundamental part of the natural cycles that govern everything in the universe. It’s hubris to think humans can exempt themselves from this natural system, and the belief that we can is a large driver of why we find ourselves here.
We can’t just skip collapse, nor can avoid it. Embrace its coming and celebrate what will grow from it.
Oh it is, when we ask with bigger guns. The EU is ramping up, all those delusions about to fall appart.
Just need to get rid of the Quislings.
I think the point is that OP (rightfully in my opinion) realizes that that is not possible without a collapse that results in a revolution.
Our entire government and wealthy are wrapped up in defending their pedophilia. Invading US cities and kidnapping people (and foreign leaders). I think if you’re not praying for a collapse at this point you are still comfortable enough to believe the lie that this system just needs “fixing” instead of a complete replacement.
The collapse of US hegemony is good for everyone
Good with a world of Chinese hegemony.
Except that’s bullshit. What china is actually doing is taking out land and resource leases for flat fees, and then moving their own people into the Africa country to extract the resources for pennies on the yuan.
USA wasn’t doing any of that. They were mostly trying to tell African governments to stop being so corrupt and putting all sorts of limits and terms on aid service. But the leaders in the governments didn’t like that. They liked getting big fat checks from China for resources they had no ability to extract themselves. China is more than happy to support corrupt and dictatorial governments, because well, that’s what they are.
The US Empire (and Europe as well) is the one installing compradors. No, the US Empire isn’t trying to tell people to “not be corrupt,” they want that so the comoradors sell out their countries and force austerity, privatization of nationalized industries, etc. This is how imperialism works, and is why the US Empire has hundreds of overseas millitary bases while the PRC has ~3. If you nationalize your resources, the US Empire tries to destroy you, because the US Empire depends entirely on this system of super-exploiting for super-profits.
BRI and the PRC’s presence in Africa and the global south in general isn’t imperialist. The PRC is expanding trade, but not dominance, nor does its trade deals come at the barrel of a gun. They trade with pretty much everyone, and support their allies, but this is not imperialism. To the contrary, the PRC is acting against imperialism.
Is China a Better Partner for Africa than Europe and the West?
The Fallacy of Denouncing Both Sides of the US-China Conflict
And many, many more sources back this up. It’s no secret that imperialists have been trying to smear China into being “no better” than the west, but the reality on the ground is that partnering with China results in mutual development and cooperation, while partnering with the west results in stripped autonomy, underdevelopment, and exploitation.
As for China’s democracy, it’s actually better than the US Empire by a wide margin. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the CPC, a working class party, dominates the state. At a democratic level, local elections are direct, while higher levels are elected by lower rungs. At the top, constant opinion gathering and polling occurs, gathering public opinion, driving gradual change. This system is better elaborated on in Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance, and we can see the strong perceptions around this democracy:
This is despite the Three Represents system. Overall, this system has resulted in over 90% of the population approving the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate.
Overall, you have a deeply confused notion of what’s going on in the global south. The US is the world’s largest empire and is colonizing the world, China is focusing on win-win economic development.
your source is an opinion column.
opinions aren’t facts. polls aren’t truth.
Putin also won the last election with 88% of the vote. That is a fact.
If you think that fact is truth, however, you’re an idiot. Facts and statistics are often lies. I’m glad you believe in lies and the ‘superiority’ of the Xi’s dictatorship. Go move to China then. See how that goes for you.
Putin did recieve 88% of the vote, the nationalists are popular in Russia. This is largely due to the nationalists kicking out western imperialists plundering Russia in the 90s, after the dissolution of the USSR. The CPRF is rising in popularity, though, especially as capitalism proves to be failing Russians.
You don’t have any evidence backing up why you think the CPC is secretly unpopular. I’ve spoken to Chinese people, both currently living there and ex-pats, and they all have backed up that the Chinese government enjoys legitimate support. It’s due to dramatically improving the lives of the working classes. You only have insults and vibes.
If I beat the shit out of you until you claim you love me, is that legit love?
According to you, it is.
I’m sure the Tibetans and the Uyghurs agree with you too. The CPC enjoys their popular support too, even as it genocides their cultures in favor of the Han Chinese.
All that evidence of violence, oppression, and sterilization is just fake news bro! CPC is clearly just doing them a huge favor!
Uyghurs are not being tortured, sterilized, genocided, etc. Neither are Tibetans. Those claims originate entirely from Adrian Zenz, a US State Department-funded Christian Nationalist for the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, itself a propaganda org.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time, as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.
Tibet was a feudal slave society backed by the CIA. The PLA liberated Tibet.
Two excerpts from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth:
Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.” [12]
Secular leaders also did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the Tibetan army, a member of the Dalai Lama’s lay Cabinet, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. [13] Old Tibet has been misrepresented by some Western admirers as “a nation that required no police force because its people voluntarily observed the laws of karma.” [14] In fact it had a professional army, albeit a small one, that served mainly as a gendarmerie for the landlords to keep order, protect their property, and hunt down runaway serfs.
Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeatedremoved, beginning at age nine. [15] The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.
In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. [16] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care. They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land — or the monastery’s land — without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. [17] Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. [18]
As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.” [19] Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed. [20]
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery. [21]
The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.
Selection two, shorter: (CW sexual violence and mutilation)
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who wasremovedd and then had her nose sliced away. [25]
Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W. F. T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. […] The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.” [26] As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri-La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.
-Dr. Michael Parenti
Overall, again, you have no evidence here either. You have blood libel, and don’t dare link any of it because you want plausible deniability. You’re doing the same thing the west does in saying there’s “white genocide” in South Africa, or “christian genocide” in Nigeria, or that Saddam’s forces took babies out of incubators and left them on the floor, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies. You’re repeating western atrocity proaganda.

Western governments have levied false allegations of genocide and slavery in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A closer look makes clear that the politicization of China’s anti-terrorism policies in Xinjiang is another front of the U.S.-led hybrid war on China.
everything is propaganda if it disagrees with your narrative. nobody’s reality other than the reality the CPC tells you is real, is real.
I fully understand. thank you for re-educating me. I will now move to china and be liberated from my evil democratic notions that are oppressing me.