elly
I will never understand why people are complaining that Japanese websites are "outdated".

They load incredibly fast, don't use almost any resources (many don't even require JS!), use native scrollbars and give you information you're looking for at a single glance.

Compare that to most modern websites that can easily hog 2GB of RAM with JavaScript, want to do scrolling themselves and require 4K screens because muh design language.

Japanese websites are a pinnacle of usability and I will die on this hill 
Jan 28 at 2:56pmWeb
Show threadJake in the desertJan 28
@elly wow okay I did NOT know that many of them don't use JS and now I'm jealous. We're BLOWING IT over here haha
Show threadVoidZeroOne   Jan 28
@elly is there some room left on that hill?
Show threadeggbreaker.exeJan 28
@[email protected] not gonna "thing, japan" but yeah

sometimes outdated is good
Show threadf_ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈJan 28
@elly that screenshot does not even look outdated at all
Show threadClaytonJan 28

@fun @elly idk... Looks super outdated to me.

Like, where's the automatic full screen modal that takes 30 seconds to load so I can make an account? Where's the chat dialog on the bottom right with an AI agent ready to answer all of my questions? How am I supposed to share this on instatikface?

(I'm kidding of course, in case that wasn't obvious lol)

Show threadγƒ’γ‚Ήγ‚±^^ 🌸🐈πŸ”₯🐴Jan 29
@craftyguy @fun @elly absolutely agree the tech is optimal in many cases but the layout of sites like Rakuten and hotpepper are a UI navigation disaster.
Show threadmedium rare birdJan 28
@elly I would argue that they are outdated and that outdated websites are better. people have worked really hard to make the web worse over the last couple decades
Show threadRupert ReynoldsJan 28

@elly Good point!

Now you mention it, Japanese sites do seem to keep their focus on what the site is intended to say.

To my mind a good website informs people or offers a message, using words and pictures with links.

I don't need animated transitions and dancing penguins. And if they don't weigh it down with eleventy-three tonnes of tracking crap, they don't need a "We use cookies" page where I would need to select 753 partners individually to say "NO".

Show threadExecJan 28
@elly My problem with Japanese websites is that they more often than not refuse to sell you stuff because you aren't visiting from there / don't have a JP card.
Show threadVihorlat MediaJan 29
@elly
that actually gave me an idea to create my new blog just in HTML/CSS...just because, yes.
Show threadAndrew  Jan 29
@elly my biggest complaints with Japanese websites are text entry (specifically stupid requirements with half width/full width characters), and the obsession with putting text in images, making translation tools not work properly. But I'll take those over multiple megabytes of JS any day.
Show threadOctavia Con Amore  Succubard's LibraryJan 31
@elly @FaalnFromABlueStar that's a good example of a good, usable sort if outdated, but Japanese websites also often look like they're designed to emulate the ad-laden feeling of walking through your average Japanese commercial district, which is the sort of outdated about JP websites I don't like 
Show threadapophisJan 31
@elly the past 30 years have taught me that if anyone wants to change something but cannot articulate any practical, concrete, material improvement in some workflow or existing function, the thing that needs to be changed is them
Show threadwyattJan 31
@elly *many japanese websites
pixiv is horrific

But it is delightful how many japanese websites and personal pages still exist in a less horrible form; I experienced a lot of this looking for documentation on PC-9801 series computers.