James GleickThis is a brave man, with a phone camera in his hand, moments before he is tackled and murdered.
Douglas @revdjenk Jenkins@gleick He worked ICU at a VA hospital.
ZenHeathen šØš¦@gleick Call me crazy, but I don't think anyone could think that's a gun
Bill Jorth@ZenHeathen @gleick We donāt even know if that gun on a car seat photographed by CBP belonged to the victim.
Su_G@gleick
First Good, now Pretti. Pretti and Good. š¢
It seems The Universe is trying to tell certain Americans something that is very clear to othersā¦ no matter how āgoodā you are at telling porky pies (lies) & manipulating images (such as a penguin leading a hated politician into an icy wilderness), their names - Pretti and Good - tell their truth. š¢
First Good, now Pretti. Pretti and Good. š¢
It seems The Universe is trying to tell certain Americans something that is very clear to othersā¦ no matter how āgoodā you are at telling porky pies (lies) & manipulating images (such as a penguin leading a hated politician into an icy wilderness), their names - Pretti and Good - tell their truth. š¢
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Stuart Celarier@gleick Reminder, you can easily and quickly mute and block trolls on this or any thread.
Don't feed the troll. That's what they are here for. Peace.
Jordi (Tubal Hippy)Yup. Reported and blocked. Scum like that deserves no attention. I suggest everyone else report him too.
GutterPoetryWhat happened to Alex's phone?
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pwdebruyne@gleick A kind reminder that during WW2, the deportations were not only organised by the Nazi's/German, but also by government police. The few little deeds that saved a small amount of people were later remembered as heroic. (1/2)
Martin Vermeer FCD@pwdebruyne @gleick The Dutch story isn't good either
@gleick This was a normal man, standing up against what he sees as a tyrannical government. The same type of government that is referenced to when debates are held about the 2nd amendment. This incident however shows that the 2nd amendment will never protect Americans. It's only going to be used as an excuse to act mire violently (2/2)
@pwdebruyne @gleick The whole idea that the 2nd amendment is meant to protect against tyrants is a lie. America will not be whole until the Slave Patrol Amendment is gone.
myrmepropagandistI can't prove it but I think they killed him because he made them feel small.
You know, by really doing all of those things we like to say "makes a man a real man"
Stepping up to protect smaller people from the bullies. With calm with honor. Like at his job. Never losing his cool while doing it.
It was an inverted mirror for these little wannabes in all of their mismatched gear looking like boys playing "army" ...
His presence set them off.
There are a lot of men who will say "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." They will brag be proud of it. But, then there are the people who really feel this way. Who act accordingly. (often not the same people)
They can't stand to see a bully. A bunch gear-balls knocking people smaller than them over. And they respond. A controlled de-escalating response. To step in the way.
Hit me instead. I'm filming you. I'm calm. Leave them alone. A real hero.
My aunt used to tell my cousin who was, like everyone in our family, a huge nerd, but he was also physically huge. Taller than all of us. Just an imposing figure and a Black Man... she told him to be careful.
"Just seeing a man like you can make some of these cops angry. You need to understand that."
I guess it happens to white men too.
And this government tells them "don't worry, no consequence, express your inner emotions."
TBH when a guy says "I can't stand it when I see a man hit a woman." it's a little red flag for me. The men I know who have said that have always tuned out to be people with little respect for women, or boundaries or... other people.
But maybe my experiences are skewed.
Bytebro š¬š§ šŗš¦ š¬š±It shouldn't be a problem, but sometimes it is.
One of my friends recently saw a bloke beating a woman outside a cinema. He pulled over, and rushed over and twatted the bloke. The girl then had my friend charged with assault on her boyfriend, because 'we were just arguing'. Sheesh.
huxley(fur) / Laelia š Furcationland DeadDog@futurebird @gleick I think I know what you mean. It's the kind of statement that shows more concern for a gender hierarchy than for the general principle of nonviolence. (personally I can't stand when I see people hit each other in anger, period)
Yusef Napora@futurebird @gleick same, tbh. Iāve heard it said in a way that implies āyou should be able to control women without violenceā and Iām like okay but maybe control and coercion is also violent and you donāt get a cookie for not actually hitting her
Mirishuli@futurebird @gleick I donāt think itās skewed. The men who say things like that mean they should be able to control ātheir womenā without hitting them. Itās about the perceived violence of striking rather than the real violence of control.
@futurebird
Thereās also a class of people who talk a big game but play a small one. People who brag about themselvesā¦ and talk an awful lotā¦ but donāt walk any of the talk. š
Pete Alex Harrisš¦”šøļøš²/āšŖā«When someone does something so needless and vicious, the simplest explanation that fits the facts is they wanted to do it.
ICE have been recruiting people who want to be cruel, who want to dominate and bully, and yes, want an excuse and an opportunity to kill.
Seeing one of their number get away with it and even be praised for it and shielded from consequences has emboldened some of them to look for opportunities with even thinner excuses to do the same.
Stardust@futurebird @gleick This, 1,000,000%.
@futurebird I think you're exactly right. And I think it was the same with Jonathan Rossās murder of RenĆ©e Good. When she said, āThat's fine, dude, Iām not mad at you,ā it made him feel small. It showed him that she was brave and he was ineffectual. He couldn't bear it.
cthululemonWe are pain and what cures pain, both. We are the sweet cold water and the jar that pours. I want to hold you close like a lute, so that we can cry out with loving. Would you rather throw stones at a mirror? I am your mirror and here are the stones.
āRumi, probably
BilliglarperI think you are spot on. And I wish more people would see this.
And like with bullies, there seems to be strong incentive to not see them. "If there's an unhinged death squad, and I do nothing, what does this say about me?". So there's a strong incentive to seek explanations and make excuses.
Conservative white men want to believe in a general fairness of the world and society, because that's where their status stems from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy