Diva (she/her)Social Democrats: We must reform the precious!
MarshezezzAnarchists and communists can all agree, let’s burn this mother fucker down
🍉 Albert 🍉we can agree that we should burn this mf down. we just disagree on what to build afterwards
We can worry about that later, you got a lighter?
it’s just sad, that the moment we hang the last billionaire, us commies and anarchist will immediately become enemies. 😞
Yeah it would seem really counterproductive and a solution would be best. It would be cool to find compromise there but of course fascism has to dominate the conversation currently
that’s the tragedy of Catalunya. on the civil war between Republican Catalunya and Fascist Spain, Catalunya had a minicivil war between the communists and anarchists.
they are a bit ideologically incompatible. both hate capitalism, so it makes sense that they are friends now, but one intendeds to replace capitalism with a proletariat state, and the other consideres states as intrinsically evil, regardless of capitalism.
I’ll miss all my commie friends once the revolution comes 😔
I mean, you could just fuck off into the woods and visit when you want to, real commies won’t hunt you. I think it’s legit for people to want to live collectively under a state, and I think it’s legit for people to want to be completely independent. Without the never ending appetite of capitalism, I think the two could coexist.
interesting, the revolution isn’t here and yet you preemptively exiled me from my community.
I think you have an ideological misconception.
anarchy isn’t individualism. it is the opposite of individual independence. it’s based on mutual aid, we help each other in a collective without a state that can legally kidnap, imprison, kill you whenever it deems convenient and will lash out at anything that will threaten the state.
it’s the needless power structures that are intrinsically evil, racism, capitalism, sexism, state/people.
That’s just you looking to be butthurt. I’m saying that anarchists can go do their collective stuff and communists can go do their state stuff. You are viewing communism through the lenses of places that have pretended to be that way but were just using it as a disguise to exploit their workforce in a more extreme way than capitalism. There was no sharing of collective work in either the USSR or China. I personally think anarchy is for short sighted people who don’t understand history. Good luck doing your non independent loving that will somehow never set up organizing structures to maximize efficiency.
It is still interesting, that you are already applying the state to punish dissenters while claiming to be different, even in this hypothetical, you prove the toxic concept of states. As you are sugar-coating exile and literally promoting a political purge with punishments so harsh most nations do not do that (so far only the US uses exiles as a punishment for some minorities).
Also keep in mind you are talking with your allied who will help you during the revolution. are going to build a world with them with the knowledge that you plan to stab them in the back?
I think you are confusing the Anarchist aesthetic, with Anarchist theory, they are so far apart.
Instead of using state violence to prove to every anarchist why states are evil, why not use your energy to build a state which anarchists wont complain, one that does not use violence on its people, a state that feeds everyone, a state where everyone is free.
Because those tools you build in your state to fight the enemy within, will be eventually used against you.
At no point did I mention state violence. My point was that I don’t believe it would be a factor in an actual communist state. Could you highlight where you thought I was implying that?
you did,
how do you expect to exile me? if I do not consent?
At no point did I even hint at exiling anyone. With your victim complex I’m shocked you’re not maga. Can you quote where I mentioned exiling anyone?
is that you?
I mean, you could just fuck off into the woods and visit when you want to, real commies won’t hunt you. I think it’s legit for people to want to live collectively under a state, and I think it’s legit for people to want to be completely independent. Without the never ending appetite of capitalism, I think the two could coexist.
Please explain how saying you can go live on your own and that no one would look for you, is a threat? I literally say the two could co exist. You seem like a sad person just looking to be angry.
are gaslighting me? you literally just said that we can coexist as long as we are exiled, or in your words “fuck off”.
that is not coexistance.
seriously, look inwardly because it seems that you only want a revolution to reproduce the means of oppression just with you at the top, rather than smashing the tools of oppression.
No, you are the one who doesn’t want to live in a place with an operating state government. Are you just offended by the word fuck? Capitalism has broken your brain if you truly don’t believe there can be a governing body that can operate without oppression.
You set up a coercive government and tell everyone to obey or fuck off.
are you that daft?
you already starting your government with oppression. you’re not giving it a good case. what if I want to stay in my community and we don’t give a fuck about your government?
we won’t follow your laws or report to it. what will your government do?
Why would we care? If you are stealing shit or harming people, that would be an issue, but that’s also an issue for every society imagineable. Again, you can’t see past what capitalism does and that’s sad.
You are the one who can’t see what arbitrary hierarchies do, Capitalism is only one of them.
you just are saying that you aren’t oppressive by saying “COMPLY OR ELSE”.
you are the one who wants to replace capitalism with another form of tyranny.
Where did I say comply or else? I said if you don’t want to be a part of a community, you don’t have to. Unless you go out completely on your own you will find yourself a part of a human made hierarchy, it’s literally impossible not to.
Ask Chiapas, Revolutionary Catalunya,or Rojava. it’s only impossible because people like you want to be e able to control others because you think you better
It seems like the only one doing that is you. It’s like your brain is broken, all I’ve said is that I hope you can go do whatever you want. You keep insisting that you can’t live alongside what I envision while pretending I’m the one being hostile. Truly, the last thing I would ever want to do is live near you.
You said that we do not belong on your society, and we should leave. that is a political cleansing. then you are trying to BS you did not say that.
You said you don’t want to be a part of it, I said that’s fine. You seem angry.
I said I don’t want part of your system, not to be uprooted from my community because your system is forced on us. If you can’t tell the difference you do not belong anywhere near power because you are literally advocating for political cleansing with propagandists words. If your system if forced upon everyone and their only solution is to exile them, You are not removing the means of oppression, just replacing them with your own, because it puts you on top.
Is where you live connected to an electric grid, water, and roads? Who is going to maintain all of that for you? If you don’t want the benefits of a shared society than you shouldn’t be in one. It sounds like your a baby that wants everything but has no idea how they’ll get it. I’m gonna guess you’re between 14-22 and that your knowledge base is non-existent. Anarchists and libertarians are the same type of moron, all kinds of dreams, no answers regarding how they will work.
are you confusing anarchism with primitivsm?
Anarchist states had electricity and services, without the risk of political cleansing or exile if they disagree with you.
I’m 38 in a local paxis action group/mutual aids, currently mass producing ICE whistles. not that it matters to you, given that you can’t understand basic theory.
Stop yelling about your BS ideology and go help your neighbor.
Rojaba is not anarchist it’s just non heirarchichal, it has a Federal Assembly and an Executive Council for decision making purposes. Communal non heirarchichal living is very possible in a communist framework. Way too assume that I’m not extremely active in my community. I’m 39, mass producing plastic trash is not the flex you think it is, maybe go do something that will actually help.
funny how you accusing me of assuming you weren’t helping your community, after my response from you accusing me of that. look at a mirror.
You definitely reminded that anarchists and libertarians are just silly people with no answers!
never met a commy that didn’t do anything useful besides circle jerk.
As opposed to all of those famously effective anarchists.
yes? I’m active in a few mutual aids, feeding unhoused and whoever comes. we serve about 100 people twice a week. also organized drivers to bus unhoused in the winter from warmth shelters, as well as showing up at every town hall meeting to keep the mayor hostage, often till 1am with everyones mandated 4 minutes speeches, and blocked some acts.
and they do so much more, meanwhile the local DSA are twiddling their thumbs making fuckall.
if I have grievances agains white socialists cosplaying revolutionaries instead of doing actual praxis, it’s from lived experience.
I’m guessing you live in Chicago or New York.
A medium sized town in the Midwest. so many people have been activated awekned lately. hope it’s the same everywhere else.
I live in Asheville, so it’s been pretty active for decades.