@cyberseckyle Tell me you're fucking joking, right?
Ain't no way in hell that developer ever gets another click, view or anything else from me.
I'm a firm believer that if we allow them to do these things, they will continue to do these things and will do it again in the future to their customers.
What an absolutely shitty thing for them to do when they did this.
@cliffwade Unfortunately I wish I was.... I have tried all the other apps on iOS for mastodon and they are just crap, horrible.
I have just gotten so used to how great the Mona app is and how it works, all the other apps just don't work for me.
@cyberseckyle Wow, shocking. While I admit, the app is better than all of them out there, but there ain't no way I'm going to support someone that shits on their users like they did. Like I said, that just encourages them keep doing it and lets them know what they did wasn't "all that bad".
Again, just my personal opinion of course, though I know I share that opinion with tons of others.
@cliffwade I absolutely get that. I also took a step back and looked at it from my dev standpoint. There are two different sides to this and I understand both; this new app has AI generation features which of course requires ongoing costs. The way Apple has thier pricing system, is a little difficult. I see why the developer created a whole new app to help with these costs by setting up the sub model. But by doing that, the existing subs can’t be “transferred” to the new app.
Knowing how Apples App Store/developer stuff works gives a bit more insight.
@cyberseckyle Having worked at Nova for 9 years, I too looked at it from both sides. I get why it happens, I just feel it shouldn't.
I watched the rise and fall of Action Launcher, Nova's nearest competitor, and this sealed the deal for that app to a point where Chris stopped developing it because there was just too much backlash. That was like 5 years ago before the internet was as vocal as they are today.
Again, I get both sides, and costs are important, but there are indeed ways around this. It's just laziness on the developers end to put forth a bit of extra work to truly take care of their userbase.
@cliffwade Oh I totally agree there. Absolutely could have been a better way.
Just chalked it up to necessity at this point. Like when the utility bill changes…. LOL.
@cyberseckyle @cliffwade Mind if I butt in on this? (If not, just tell me to go away 😆)
I think it's a shitty situation that distribution in the App Store requires people to either require subscriptions or build 'new' apps that are major updated versions. And really once you go one route it's difficult, if not impossible, to switch tracks. (1/3)
@Aaron Fantastical? What do I have to do to win you over as a Skylight Calendar customer? ;)
Communication, or lack of, was the biggest thing for me here. There's no reason this couldn't have been communicated better. That alone has it to where I'll never use Mona again for any reason. The developer can jump off a bridge for all I care and I hate to see others supporting someone that proceeds to do shitty things like this.
@cliffwade I hear ya, man. I've done some shitty things in the past (we all have). Again, my opinion, is Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Did he fuck up? Totally. Was it malicious? Probably not. In the end it's a freaking Mastodon app and we've got bigger issues in our day-to-day to deal with, ya know? 😉
Re: Fantastical - I _LOVED_ its language parsing for event creation. SOOO good. Jumped to Apple Calendar app and it's always ok-enough.
@Aaron Very well said. I'm just not one to forgive when someone pulls something shitty like this, especially when it could have been avoided, 100%.
It is just a Mastodon app, and we all certainly have bigger things to worry about. But it remains, that supporting shitty people encourages them to continue being shitty. 🤪
@dhry Yep, this easily could have been avoided. They just simply didn't want to do it or didn't want to do just a tad bit of extra work to make it happen.
Sucks that the app is still being supported in any way and it appears the community is just going to let them do it to them and not stand up for how things should really be.
@cliffwade @Aaron he correctly assumed that his users would eventually just gobble it right down to the sack after bitching and moaning for a day or two. Five stages of grief, I think it’s called? Pfft.
I will *never* stop with the memes on it.
@dhry Very well said! And this is exactly why companies or individuals keep doing shitty things because their users or their community allow it and approve it by throwing even more money at them.
Yet people wonder why things are so expensive or why companies do the shitty things they do. It's truly a very sad situation.
@Ronnie I rarely use or look at Mastodon on my phone to begin with, mainly because I'm always at my PC.
But when I do, it's currently IceCubes, though I'm not a fan of it to be honest. I do it because I refuse to support developers who purposely enshitify their apps or treat their community bad or take them for their money.
@Ronnie He doesn't understand, which to me just signifies that he'll do it again without thinking twice. Yet people will likely allow him to do it because they did it this time without standing up and letting him know just how damn shitty it was for him to do this.
This is exactly how enshitification of a company or a developer begins, because people refuse to teach them, they just throw more money at them.
@Ronnie @cliffwade @Aaron No. The worst part is that he created an app, offered a one-time purchase on it, then put out a new version that requires paid users to pay again. Pure and simple. THAT is the worst part.
Imagine a skittish stray dog. A stranger offers it kindness, delicious food and a warm house. Then one day the stranger drags the dog out of the house, backhands it and throws it out into the street. Essentially me paying for this fucking app.
@Ronnie As I've stated previously, it is indeed the best app out there for Mastodon on iOS. But that doesn't give any developer the right to not communicate or shit on their community by taking their money not once, but twice.
Again, this is just my personal stance and I'll keep preaching on that hill until the end of time.
Especially when I worked for an Android app that had a ONE TIME LIFE TIME purchase of less than $5 for an entire decade, and still to this very day.
@64bithero Definitely not near as customizable, but also not that great of an app in my opinion. Ivory is better than IceCubes, and I'm not really a fan of Ivory at all.
@Aaron For sure! Communication is the most important part and is what pissed me off the most about this whole situation.
Nothing was sent or said about this whole thing.
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