R.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 11

I 💔 the modern web

~ $ uname -srm OpenBSD 7.8 amd64 ~ $ sysctl -n hw.physmem |awk '{print $1/1024**3, " GiB"}' 3.72584 GiB ~ $ sysctl -n hw.physmem |awk '{print $1/1000**3, " GB"}' 4.00059 GB ~ $ ps wwaux |head -1 USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND ~ $ ps wwaux |awk '$0~/firefox/ {t+=$6}; END {print t/1024, "MiB"}' 972.234 MiB ~ $

P.S., I forgot to mention that this is with a fresh run of firefox with only a single blank tab. XD

Show threadDušan MitrovićJan 13
@rl_dane Every browser is a rather complex piece of software, because they need to be due to the sheer amount of web standards they have to support. High memory usage is expected, especially since all of them are now multi-process IPC pipeline behemoths.
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@dusnm

I know. I hate how the web standards have grown by sheer accretion.

I miss proper Web 2.0.

Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@rl_dane @dusnm

I have an upcoming blog post about this…

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@amin @dusnm

YAAAAAS DEW IT

Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@rl_dane @dusnm

First though I need to write my upcoming post titled "you will never need the new iphone"

Show threadsotolfJan 13
@amin @rl_dane @dusnm never had one, nobody needed one, they just want one because it's a fancy brand thing that conveys status.
Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@sotolf @rl_dane @dusnm

I'll be discussing smartphones in general, I just wanted to reference a specific type for title purposes. ;)

Show threadsotolfJan 13
@amin @rl_dane @dusnm That title would be a surefire way to make people like me not read the post ;)
Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@sotolf @rl_dane @dusnm

hmmmmmmmmmmm

Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@sotolf @rl_dane @dusnm

"the new pixel" is ambiguous though, and "the new smartphone" just sounds odd to me

Show threadsotolfJan 13
@amin @rl_dane @dusnm I'm not quite sure why the new smartphone sounds odd? it's more inclusive at least :) I would even say you don't need the newest phone, as I don't think there are that many people with a wired phone anymore :)
Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@sotolf @rl_dane @dusnm

I was kinda leaning toward iPhone because Apple fans seem to be the biggest offenders in terms of always wanting the newest model

Show threadsotolfJan 13
@amin @rl_dane @dusnm It's because they aren't in it for the functionality, neither are they in it for the value, they are in it especially to have something that you don't have, the whole point for them is to have the newest fanciest thing that "you don't have" :)
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@sotolf @amin @dusnm

I don't think most people are that shallow.

They're caught up in the "oooo, shiny!" and vendor lock-in.

And they have no clue why their evil cousin with the green bubbles "ruins" group chats. 🙄

Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@rl_dane @sotolf @dusnm

And the lack of OS and app support after a couple hardware versions have gone by is a big factor too…

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@amin @sotolf @dusnm

I mean, iPhones have support for what, seven years?

Most android phones now have at least five.

Show threadAmin, minor deity of the legume realmJan 13

@rl_dane @sotolf @dusnm

They're still perfectly functional from a hardware perspective for a long time after that mark though. :P

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@amin @sotolf @dusnm

Yes, enshittification creates ewaste by not allowing you to put your own OS on them.

Of course, even if iPhone had unlocked bootloaders, ARM is such a horrid platform, it would take a team of dedicated devs weeks to reverse-engineer everything to make it totally functional with 100% FOSS stuff, if it were even possible.

Show threadkabel42Jan 13
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @dusnm is that an ARM thing? Or a "no BIOS, no standards and no documentation" thing?
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@kabel42 @amin @sotolf @dusnm

It's not intrinsically an ARM thing, it's just SOP for the ARM world. :/

Show threadkabel42Jan 13
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @dusnm SOP?
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@kabel42 @amin @sotolf @dusnm

Standard Operating Procedure(s)

Show threadkabel42Jan 13
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @dusnm but thats normal on everything that's not built for you to supply an OS, right? Running Linux on an x86 Playstation is as difficult.
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 13

@kabel42 @amin @sotolf @dusnm

Was the Playstation ever x86? I thought they were always some sort of RISC?

Show threadkabel42Jan 13
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @dusnm i think the current xbox and playstation are some AMD APU similar to the steam deck
Show threadsotolfJan 14
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @dusnm The One, and series S/X (I think that's the current gem) are all x86 afaik
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 14

@sotolf @kabel42 @amin @dusnm

Yeah, I totally forgot that basically all consoles are x86_64 now, except the handhelds.

Show threadkabel42Jan 14
@rl_dane @sotolf @amin @dusnm
Are there still console handhelds?
The Steam deck is x86.
The switch (2) is a Nvidia graphics card with auxiliary ARM core.
Is there anything else left?
Show threadsotolf
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @dusnm The switch one is just a phone with joysticks and buttons :p
Jan 14 at 3:51pmWeb
Show threadkabel42Jan 14
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @dusnm also an nvidia tegra IIRC, but that could also have been the nokia n-gage
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Jan 14

@kabel42 @sotolf @amin @dusnm

TACOPHONE!!!! 😂