Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document - Lemmy.World

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It should be illegal, thank goodness it’s finally being considered

It shouldn’t be any more illegal than any harmless cosmetic procedure.

The last thing you want is unsupervised and unsanitary procedures done by a religious zealot.

Outlawing circumcision sends you down the same road as outlawing ear piercings or abortions. You’re guaranteed to do more harm than good.

The topic is child (cannot consent, hell in some cases cannot talk yet because too young) circumcision, you are talking about puberty+(can semi-consent: can decide who to live with in family seperation for example) issues?

I agree about the black market but perfect is the enemy of good?

Also harmless? WTF

cannot consent, hell in some cases cannot talk yet because too young

Again, people get their baby’s ears pierced all the time. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg on parent approved medical procedures. If circumcision upsets you, how do you feel about ear tubes, tonsillectomies, and cleft pallet repair?

I agree about the black market but perfect is the enemy of good?

I would say the cost of criminalization far outweighs the benefit.

People should not be piercing their baby’s wars too. Neat that you used the same argument Republicans use use against gay marriage. We don’t see your kind here to often.

People should not be piercing their baby’s ears too.

People shouldn’t be arrested for piercing a babies ears either.

Having the police kick down your door and drag you to a cell over this shit is not an improved outcome

You are truly sick with how much it’s important for you to chop off babies dicks. You are defending a barbaric stupid meaningless ritual with such ridiculous arguments, why?

Having children ears pierced should also be criminal, but at least with ear piercing it doesn’t do any damage and can be removed later, as opposed to having their genitals mutallated by a religious nutjob for nothing.

Fact is, this would die out if not forced on helpless babies at 8 days old because no sane person would want to inflict this on their body unless theres a very good medical reason (which there is none for most of people).

All the examples you gave stem out from the person’s own decision or due to medical necessity.

I would argue that people who support this fucked up ritual should also be criminalized.

how much it’s important for you to chop off babies dicks.

It’s sick to arrest people. The entire criminal justice system in the UK is a nightmare of abuse and neglect.

Anyone who would advocate finding new reasons to expose more people to it is deranged. Anything you think you’re protecting people from pales in comparison to expanding the scope of your miserable fascist police state

I truly believe that the jailing system is hell on earth and is not a fix for anything. Having said that, I never mentioned jailing anyone, just said it should be criminalized.

Its not a ‘new reason’, its literally an ancient one. People have been doing this sick shit since before history. I think their recoknin should come NOW.

Since this how our law system operates, it is very fine by me to release all the people who were arrested for drug offences and shoplifting, and replace them with all the baby-dicks-chopping-sick-fucks. If you hurt someone else, especially defenseless ones, you should be reformed(HARD) before allowed to return back to society. I do believe that giving you all the professional guidance and psychological counseling you need with your mental illness will serve us all way better than jailing you.

Talking about fascism - being a right wing nut job that lives by ridiculous ‘religious doctrine’ is the fascism here. Trying to save innocent humans from mutalation is something you think is fascistic??? Then what is the whole point of pretending we have a ‘civilized society’??? So much stupidity and cruelty, you should be ashamed.

Having said that, I never mentioned jailing anyone, just said it should be criminalized.

What do you think the consequences of criminalization happen to be?

Since this how our law system operates, it is very fine by me to release all the people who were arrested for drug offences and shoplifting, and replace them with all the baby-dicks-chopping-sick-fucks.

If it was an either-or game, I could almost sympathize with the sentiment. But this isn’t either-or. You’re packing them all in cheek-to-jowl. The prison population of England & Wales quadrupled in size between 1900 and 2018, with around half of this increase taking place since 1990. And it posed to keep growing with an additional 95,700 to 105,200 by March 2029.

There is no end to it. There is no swapping out the less-bad for the more-worse. You’re just finding a new excuse to add more people to the incarceration pile.

What do you think the consequences of criminalization happen to be?

Whatever we as a society decide them to be. It can also be community service, financial penalties, institutionalization, etc…

And regarding the rest, I’m not sure if you are trolling or not so I’ll give it a last try.

You are deflecting from the main point. Are you so bothered by the fact that these people would be jailed that you are willing to accept babies gential mutlation for the sake of religion? Any reason other than critical medial emergency is straight up degenerate and insane. Do you also think that it should be allowed on females?

What about pedophiles? Murderers? Rapists? Should they also roam free because you are uncomfortable with jailing?

You won’t solve crime, nor the incarceration problems by letting psychos do whatever the fuck they want. Something gotta give. Currently the choice is between letting people practice barbaric, sadistic and primitive rituals that causes pain, suffering and death to others, or letting them go through the justice system(however messed up that system may be).

As I said earlier, I fully support institutionalizing them for psych evaluation and treatment and allowing them back to society only once they are fully rehabilitated, but since we live in a broken society, jailing them would be the lesser evil. If they do not want to experience the ‘joys’ of going through this process, maybe they should mutilate their own gentilia instead of those of innocent children. This would also be fine by me.