VoxelpowerJan 8

@waldschnecke

Fairphone still lacks standard security features such as a secure element, and they have partially installed EoL hardware.

See also:

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

See also information from Tavi (Android security researcher and former developer of DivestOS):

https://forum.fairphone.com/t/is-fairphone-really-interested-in-sustainability/99302/2

If you want a secure, privacy-friendly smartphone, the best choice would be a current Pixel (refurbished models are also fine) with GrapheneOS:

https://grapheneos.org/

Devices lacking standard privacy/security patches and protections aren't private - GrapheneOS Discussion Forum

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Show threadAnttiJan 9

@Voxelpower But if you want European choice here then the Pixel with GOS doesn't really bring anything to the table. Of course still great choice for journalist and opposition activist! But for average Joe, there are privacy friendly options, which can even be fully Google free as they aren't even android based.

I also have problem a little bit how GOS people communicates. This has been demonstrated well in video: https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0

Why I deleted GrapheneOS

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Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9
@Antti98 @Voxelpower The video you've linked is harassment content based around blatant fabrications and misrepresentations. Even the title of the video was an outright lie as he was caught continuing to use GrapheneOS as his daily driver by his community. The claim that he was scared of using it or scared of us responding to his attacks was a lie. What he claimed about what we said to him and his past interactions with us were lies. He did many months of public and private bullying before this.
Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9

@Antti98 @Voxelpower You're participating in targeting an open source developer and project with blatant libel, bullying and harassment. Louis Rossmann is a Kiwi Farms user who directly involved them and began their harassment towards us. This is his identity verified account on that doxxing/libel/harassment site where he seeks out their support and regularly rants about organizations/individuals he wants them to target while feigning ignorance and pretending otherwise:

https://kiwifarms.st/members/larossmann.132201/

larossmann

Kiwi Farms
Show threadAnttiJan 9
@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower I didn't even talk to you... Claiming that I participated in libel, bullying and harassment is great lie when biggest negative thing I said about you is that I don't value your communication way :D In a post that weren't even directed to you! Does it even matter what Rossmann does, when you are representing yourself this way? You are doing bullying just right here....
Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9

@Antti98 @Voxelpower

> I didn't even talk to you

You linked to harassment content towards our team based on fabricated stories and are repeating those libelous false claims yourself.

> Claiming that I participated in libel, bullying and harassment is great lie

No, it's the truth and you continue demonstrating it.

> when you are representing yourself this way?

You're engaging in libel and harassment towards. We're just debunking it and posting accurate info about SailfishOS in response.

Show threadAnttiJan 9
@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower "You linked to harassment content towards our team" I didn't know original poster was one of your team member? "libelous false claims yourself" Sure, I claimed that your communication is very unhealthy. I think it depends of person what is considered toxic or unhealthy but you are constantly claiming like I attacked your team. I didn't but for some reason you attack me? You are much more harassing me
Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9
@Antti98 @Voxelpower We're absolutely not harassing you and this attempt at DARVO tactics towards us is despicable. You linked on your main timeline and also here to content from a person openly engaging in extreme bullying towards the founder of GrapheneOS through leaking their personal info, making outrageously false claims about them and trying to baselessly portray them as insane with the clear goal of directing harassment towards them. Spreading that content is actual harassment.
Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9
@Antti98 @Voxelpower Regardless of your original intent, you have not removed either of your posts spreading that harassment content. Responding to your attacks on our team on a public discussion platform to defend ourselves is not harassment. You're posting harassment content towards our team. You're directly participating in the tactics of trying to baselessly portray our team as crazy and making false accusations about what we've said and done. You're using typical DARVO tactics too.
Show threadAntti
@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower I am sorry but now we are just spinning in loop. You are discussion about so many things that I didn't participate in any way. I claimed that GOS should improve their communication and that GOS isn't European (OP looked EU solution). No harassment there imo as first one is personal opinion and second one is fact. I didn't say that you are crazy, I said that this aggressive messaging campaign is crazy. Where have I made any accusations of what you have said or done?
Jan 10 at 8:28amWeb
Show threadGrapheneOSJan 10
@Antti98 @Voxelpower You posted harassment content towards our founder and on your feed. It's representative of the overall behavior of the SailfishOS community, which is extraordinarily toxic and is the actual toxic project and community in this situation. You push fabricated stories about GrapheneOS and our team but in reality you are the people who aren't decent human beings and endlessly harass our team / community as you were doing here. It is you who is toxic and aggressive.
Show threadAnttiJan 10
@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower That is just blatant lye just there xD I didn't mention even SFOS, you picked that from somewhere yourself. If I say that your communication is aggressive and I don't like it, how another community can suddenly be part of harassment campaign against you? And aren't decent human being when no one from SFOS haven't even said anything? Cmoon, you just repeat that while you don't say really say anything factual.