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@Voxelpower But if you want European choice here then the Pixel with GOS doesn't really bring anything to the table. Of course still great choice for journalist and opposition activist! But for average Joe, there are privacy friendly options, which can even be fully Google free as they aren't even android based.

I also have problem a little bit how GOS people communicates. This has been demonstrated well in video: https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0

Why I deleted GrapheneOS

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@Antti98 @Voxelpower The video you've linked is harassment content based around blatant fabrications and misrepresentations. Even the title of the video was an outright lie as he was caught continuing to use GrapheneOS as his daily driver by his community. The claim that he was scared of using it or scared of us responding to his attacks was a lie. What he claimed about what we said to him and his past interactions with us were lies. He did many months of public and private bullying before this.

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower Are you feeling okay? 14 messages seems extreme.... And we are so off topic here... Don't know him personally, don't really care as you demonstrate that the toxic communication part is definitely true. Didn't say that GOS is bad project or anything, did say it is probably the safest out there. It just is fact that GOS doesn't bring anything to European value chain if someone wants to ditch US solutions, isn't it? Nothing bad with that imo, what does GOS think?

@Antti98 @Voxelpower

> Are you feeling okay?

You're participating in harassment towards our team. You clearly don't care about our well being. Is this the typical attempt at claiming we're insane?

> seems extreme

There's nothing extreme about our response.

> as you demonstrate that the toxic communication

Debunking posts with fabricated stories and harassment towards our team isn't toxic.

> Didn't say that GOS is bad project

You spread harassment content towards us. That's far worse.

Antti

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower "You're participating in harassment towards our team." I said that I don't like the way you communicate. It is quite bold to say that to be harassment :D But taking any critique might be too much, well anyway....

@Antti98 @Voxelpower You're directly participating in Rossmann's harassment towards our team. That includes baselessly trying to portray members of our team as insane, pushing fabricated stories about us from him and making your own highly inaccurate claims about us. Calling people insane, leaking private info about them and encouraging more violence towards them after already helping to get them repeatedly swatted is harassment. You're directly participating in it trying to promote SailfishOS.

@Antti98 @Voxelpower Many SailfishOS community members have recently been engaging in harassment towards our team and pushing fabrications about GrapheneOS. It's not the successful marketing strategy you think it is. Due to you folks doing that, many people are being informed about the lack of privacy, security, functionality, app compatibility and even open source with SailfishOS. The parts specific to it are largely source and for years they were officially partnered with Putin's regime...

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower Don't know why in every other post we are talking about Putin/Russia? I haven't targeted GOS, haven't posted anything to your posts or tagged you in any way. I am not doing here any official marketing, I am trying to enjoy one last social media sites where most of people know how to behave, maybe not all tho....

@Antti98 @Voxelpower You have targeted GrapheneOS by spreading harassment content towards our team including on your main timeline, not only here. If that wasn't your intention then you're welcome to remove it everywhere you've posted it and we'll remove our responses about it if you'd like.

SailfishOS community has been heavily attacking GrapheneOS recently including personal attacks on our team. Jolla chose to permit it on their own forum and elsewhere so this does involve them.

@Antti98 @Voxelpower You're welcome to remove your posts linking to harassment content towards our founder and your replies to us and we'll do the same by removing ours. It's entirely your choice to be engaging in this discussion. It was you who steered the topic away from technical to personal attacks on our team. Your response to accurate information was linking to harassment content from a Kiwi Farms user. You posted it on your timeline so it's fair if we respond to you on ours.

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower True, shouldn't have answered to you probably. I just hoped that maybe you had done some improvements with communication when the project is great. I don't know how I steered the topic away from technical to personal attack towards you. We weren't talking tech aspects at all, we were looking European solutions. GOS was mentioned → I said "Great projects, but don't like their communication way (+they aren't EU based)". It is skill to take criticism

@Antti98 @Voxelpower Your posted libelous harassment content towards our team. You continue engaging in libel towards our team and standing behind your participation in harassment. That's fine, we'll make a post about SailfishOS on our forum and link it across platforms. The more your community attacks us, the more harm you will cause to SailfishOS and Jolla. We've archived your posts as another example of the SailfishOS community engaging in harassment but won't use it if you remove it.

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower I have zero participation in Jolla or SFOS. You pulled SFOS from somewhere yourself. No one can claim that personal (politely written) opinion of someone else communication way is harassment campaign. Archive anything you want, all your comments can also be found from here. If you attack so hardly against personal opinions, good luck for future. I am not representing here any community, just my personal opinions about your communication skills.

@GrapheneOS I don't know why we should censor internet so heavily that we delete content. That specific video just showed and I quote myself "I also have problem a little bit how GOS people communicates". Didn't say anything about Rossmann, didn't take the conversation in any deeper to any way. My point was and is that your communication is way too aggressive. Linking video is easier than looking screenshots myself. If you have better link I can change to that?

@Antti98 You posted a link to libelous harassment content. You've been peddling the same fabricated stories yourself. That's fine,. you're giving a good example of the toxicity of the SailfishOS and their community contrary to how you want to portray things. The more you engage in harassment, the more damage you will cause to the SailfishOS project. We'll be making a post about their Jolla's false claims about AOSP and GrapheneOS combined with their community's harassment of our team and raids.

@GrapheneOS What fabricated stories? I said that I don't like your communication way... How can you fabricate personal opinion? How can you connect personal opinion of random person to some project, SFOS in this regard? I have never worked there, I have never contributed to that project. Now you have just picked random project to bash from somewhere... Everyone could say that you are harassing and raiding other projects in this regard with zero connection. If you have better link, give it

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower Targeted means that I would intentionally looked GOS content and constantly trying to bash you. Now there were just two people talking, quite politely actually, before you arrived. That isn't targeted campaign against you. I don't know to what you refer with SFOS community attack, maybe one thread where people discussed your problematic communication way? There wasnt any false tech info to my understanding? Nothing worse than that said either. Why Jolla should block that?

@Antti98 @Voxelpower You posted harassment content towards our founder and on your feed. It's representative of the overall behavior of the SailfishOS community, which is extraordinarily toxic and is the actual toxic project and community in this situation. You push fabricated stories about GrapheneOS and our team but in reality you are the people who aren't decent human beings and endlessly harass our team / community as you were doing here. It is you who is toxic and aggressive.

@Antti98 @Voxelpower The thread you're referring contained similar fabricated stories and harassment content which Jolla chose to permit. That makes them a toxic project and community. Our project and community doesn't attack people with libel and harassment. It is your community which does that. It's your community which recently engaged in multiple raids on our chat room too. There was plenty of inaccurate technical info in that thread but that's not the point, your harassment is the point.

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower Copy pasting same comments in multiple places now? What is even the point with all this?

@GrapheneOS I didn't post any harassment content towards either your founder or your team. I said I don't like your communication style, and everyone can see why here... There has been similar conversation in Jolla forum that you really should improve your communication. That isn't any personal attack or anything. That is opinion of random people in internet. Why should Jolla censor personal opinion? Why are you trying to censor personal opinions? I haven't ever even been in your chat room....

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower I have zero contacts with Rossmann, I don't plan to take part in anything he is doing. To my understanding I haven't done any stories about you, so how nothing be fabricated? xD My own claim has been that your communication skills as someone who should be OSS and help people to escape data mining, is really off. Don't know how personal opinion can be inaccurate claim? Don't know what is the connection here with SFOS and GOS?

@Antti98 @Voxelpower You're spreading harassment content towards our team to promote the largely closed source products of a for-profit company. You're not doing that in a vacuum but rather are doing so alongside other SailfishOS supporters attacking us. These attacks were openly coordinated on a forum run by Jolla and have spread from there throughout the SailfishOS community which is increasingly targeting our team. Jolla is directly responsible for that happening.