VoxelpowerJan 8

@waldschnecke

Fairphone still lacks standard security features such as a secure element, and they have partially installed EoL hardware.

See also:

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

See also information from Tavi (Android security researcher and former developer of DivestOS):

https://forum.fairphone.com/t/is-fairphone-really-interested-in-sustainability/99302/2

If you want a secure, privacy-friendly smartphone, the best choice would be a current Pixel (refurbished models are also fine) with GrapheneOS:

https://grapheneos.org/

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Show threadAnttiJan 9

@Voxelpower But if you want European choice here then the Pixel with GOS doesn't really bring anything to the table. Of course still great choice for journalist and opposition activist! But for average Joe, there are privacy friendly options, which can even be fully Google free as they aren't even android based.

I also have problem a little bit how GOS people communicates. This has been demonstrated well in video: https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0

Why I deleted GrapheneOS

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Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9
@Antti98 @Voxelpower The video you've linked is harassment content based around blatant fabrications and misrepresentations. Even the title of the video was an outright lie as he was caught continuing to use GrapheneOS as his daily driver by his community. The claim that he was scared of using it or scared of us responding to his attacks was a lie. What he claimed about what we said to him and his past interactions with us were lies. He did many months of public and private bullying before this.
Show threadAnttiJan 9
@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower Are you feeling okay? 14 messages seems extreme.... And we are so off topic here... Don't know him personally, don't really care as you demonstrate that the toxic communication part is definitely true. Didn't say that GOS is bad project or anything, did say it is probably the safest out there. It just is fact that GOS doesn't bring anything to European value chain if someone wants to ditch US solutions, isn't it? Nothing bad with that imo, what does GOS think?
Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9

@Antti98 @Voxelpower

> Are you feeling okay?

You're participating in harassment towards our team. You clearly don't care about our well being. Is this the typical attempt at claiming we're insane?

> seems extreme

There's nothing extreme about our response.

> as you demonstrate that the toxic communication

Debunking posts with fabricated stories and harassment towards our team isn't toxic.

> Didn't say that GOS is bad project

You spread harassment content towards us. That's far worse.

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@Antti98 @Voxelpower

> It just is fact that GOS doesn't bring anything to European value chain if someone wants to ditch US solutions, isn't it?

Based on what you've been saying, European values appears to be supporting a company which heavily collaborated with Russia after they invaded Ukraine. Do European values include supporting harassment towards open source developers with fabricated stories too? Do those values including portraying people as crazy who disagree with you too?

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Show threadAnttiJan 9

@GrapheneOS @Voxelpower well to be completely honest, I was devastated how almost any company didn't do anything after crimean invasion. As we know today that was bad call from everyone that it was still allowed for business to continue operate inside Russia. Did GOS exit Russia back then?

But if someone cuts Russians of by driving company to bankruptcy first and continuing with European ownership/team I am definitely willing to give them change.

Show threadGrapheneOSJan 9
@Antti98 @Voxelpower GrapheneOS has never had a presence in Russia. Our lead developer is Ukrainian and was heavily impacted by Russia's invasion. He ended up being forcibly conscripted into the Ukrainian army since he didn't want to leave his home. Jolla claims to no longer be working with Russia but they clearly only did it for the sake of appearances and didn't actually believe in it. The reality is they'll likely go back to working with them as soon as they think it's not a big PR issue.