@Voxelpower But if you want European choice here then the Pixel with GOS doesn't really bring anything to the table. Of course still great choice for journalist and opposition activist! But for average Joe, there are privacy friendly options, which can even be fully Google free as they aren't even android based.

I also have problem a little bit how GOS people communicates. This has been demonstrated well in video: https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0

@Antti98

> "But for average Joe, there are privacy friendly options, which can even be fully Google free as they aren't even android based"

GrapheneOS is the only custom OS that does not weaken or eliminate the security of AOSP, but actually significantly improves it. It is also the only custom OS that does not delay security updates for weeks or months. Any custom operating systems that are not based on Android (e.g., Sailfish OS) lack basic security mechanisms such as modern exploit mitigations, memory-safe languages, reasonable sandboxing and permissions systems, strict MAC policies, etc.

This means they also lack the ability to protect users' privacy from malicious third parties.

The majority of GrapheneOS users are ordinary people, not opposition figures or journalists, so it is false to claim that GOS is only for such people.

And btw, the Linux kernel contains a lot of code from Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Red Hat, etc. Using Linux kernel-based OSes are not “fully Google free”.

> "I also have problem a little bit how GOS people communicates. This has been demonstrated well in video: https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0"

Louis Rossman often spreads fake news about GrapheneOS (e.g., he once said somewhere that GOS was dead and wouldn't be updating to Android 16, but a few days later, GOS was released with Android 16).

See also information from GrapheneOS about Rossmann and the video:

https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1950568612600619319#m

Louis Rossmann also has a verified account on KiwiFarms, one of the largest neo-Nazi, hate, and troll platforms:

https://kiwifarms.st/members/larossmann.132201/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Harassment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Christchurch_mosque_shootings

You can also see that he posts there regularly (the last time was this Wednesday, for example).

And that he specifically seeks out friendships with people who regularly attack GrapheneOS on KiwiFarms.

@Voxelpower But back to the main point, Pixel (Google hardware) with GOS (Google developed OS with different clothes and nicer seams) doesn't contribute anything to the table if we are looking European alternatives, doesn't it?

It is okay to say that GOS is probably the safest, but why to bash every other alternative just to probe your superiority? Some alternatives are in my opinion good enough from privacy perspective to average Joe who's main privacy thread is Google/Meta/Microsoft 3/3