ByteOnBikesJan 9

Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police just released this

https://discuss.online/post/33569088

Show threadzeppo

“When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning”

Well, that’s an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any “due process” occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.

Jan 9 at 1:07pmWeb
Show threadBussyGyattJan 9
also, cops are immune to prosecution, so the court of public opinion is like, all they have
Show threadzeppoJan 9
They’re not completely immune. If the action is egregious enough or unpopular enough with the public (which seems to be what they’re complaining about), police can be convicted of crimes. Derek Chauvin, for example.
Show threadMist101Jan 9

exact same due process as any other citizen treated like an innocent person and are often moved districts for a fresh start FTFY

Show threadzeppoJan 9
In the “we’re going to investigate ourselves” phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.
Show threadduckCityComplexJan 9
Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.
Show threadegretsJan 9
Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.
Show threadAxExRxJan 9

There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:

'Citizens are afforded… ’ categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.

Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.

Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)

Show threadzeppoJan 10

Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.

I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.