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cake-duke@andree4live @Tutanota LOL GrapheneOS isnt google free because it only runs on Pixel which is literally google.
Okuna@andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota additionally, every website you visit you should check if it's hosted in the Google Cloud because that would mean it's not Google Free either.
So the question is, what is the definition of Google Free? For me, it is by default no connections to any Google server, no usage of any Google app, etc. And the control is fully with the user.
And with this definition, as far as I know, there is only #grapheneOS.
Others seem to connect at least to the captive portal or supl or connectivity checks to google server
0x0@Okuna
@andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota
Still waiting for it to run on (almost) anything other that a pixel.
@0x0 @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota For me, security is priority 1 and GOS on pixel seems to be the most secure
So I swallow the shit that i have to buy google hw.
So I swallow the shit that i have to buy google hw.
@Okuna I wonder on what basis you say this.
I'm not an expert, so I can't evaluate by myself. However, the incessant mud slinging by the grapheneOS project to anything that isn't produced by them, makes me skeptical.
@oneloop yes, their communication habits have been a point of discussion in many forums and from a lot of people, even people who really respect their technical capabilities. I once went to their forum and asked a few questions because i was a newbie and basically they said if I ask one more question in this regards they blocked me from the forum.
But since there is no perfect solution where moral and communication and technical capabilities etc are all perfect, I have to prioritize.
Whenever I needed help from the forum or from people in the discussion forums of GrapheneOS, I got competent and quick help.
But since there is no perfect solution where moral and communication and technical capabilities etc are all perfect, I have to prioritize.
Whenever I needed help from the forum or from people in the discussion forums of GrapheneOS, I got competent and quick help.
> I once went to their forum and asked a few questions because i was a newbie and basically they said if I ask one more question in this regards they blocked me from the forum.
Yuck. To me software is more than just features. It's also about making society better. I have to say I already had a not-so-positive impression of their project, but your account really sealed it for me.
GrapheneOS@oneloop @Okuna It's a fabricated story with absolutely no evidence which you're taking as a fact and spreading. Meanwhile, you've repeatedly attacked us for not providing links to further information in advance for independently verifiable facts we've communicated. You have no issue taking a completely unsubstantiated story about us as the truth with no evidence though. You expect us to provide sources for information you can easily find yourself but will simply treat lies about us as facts.
> their communication habits have been a point of discussion in many forums and from a lot of people
You're largely referencing libelous harassment content including from Kiwi Farms users/supporters.
> because i was a newbie and basically they said if I ask one more question in this regards they blocked me from the forum
This never happened and is an outrageous lie.
> I got competent and quick help.
You use GrapheneOS and have received help, yet thank us by attacking us.
@oneloop there are mainly two people I trust when it comes to privacy and security.
Mike Kuketz @kuketzblog and Michael Bazzel @inteltechniques.com.blog
Only because of them I was aware that something like GOS exists.
Mike Kuketz @kuketzblog and Michael Bazzel @inteltechniques.com.blog
Only because of them I was aware that something like GOS exists.
tekhne@Okuna @andree4live The definition I care about is that Google doesn't have control over anything that matters to me. The hardware that I run matters to me, so I don't want it Google to have control over it.
@andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota
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@Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota At the same time, I'm not a fundamentalist. I do put effort into this without making my life impossible. Never ever interacting with something hosted by google: impossible. Not running on Google's hardware: possible.
@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota None of the options being promoted by Tuta has current privacy or security patches. They're not safe options let alone highly private ones.
/e/ has their own invasive services including sending user data to OpenAI without consent, user tracking in the updater and has highly privileged integration of Google services that's active out-of-the-box.
Pixels are currently the only smartphones where it's possible to compete with iPhone security.
@GrapheneOS @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota
> Pixels are currently the only smartphones where it's possible to compete with iPhone security.
Do you want to provide a link so I can read why this is the case, with technical details?
Sure, I can search on my own, but I won't know if the things I find are the things you're referring to.
@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices is a starting point. We're currently working with a major Android OEM towards their devices meeting these requirements. It means massively improving their approach to privacy/security patches and adding multiple hardware-based protections including hardware memory tagging and better secure element integration currently nearly fully missing outside Pixels. They weren't able to get it done for 2026 so the support will launch in 2027.
@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota The claims in Tuta's post about GrapheneOS hardware support are a mix of inaccurate and misleading claims. GrapheneOS uses Pixels because they have far stronger security than other devices. Privacy depends on security.
Privacy also depends on privacy patches and protections missing for each of the options they're promoting.
The invasive services included in most of what Tuta is promoting are also hard to square with these being promoted as private.
@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota /e/ sending user speech data to OpenAI vs. Apple doing local processing on the device for it is only one example of that but it's representative of a lot more than that.
@oneloop @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota They're going to be announcing it at a major event they're attending in the future. We've chosen not to reveal it prematurely so that it can be properly announced. It's one of the top 10 Android OEMs by device sales though. We tried to work with several smaller companies before and it didn't ever work out because they weren't able to meet our requirements. Multiple also switched direction and/or went out of business. This is much different than that.
Bonsai861@GrapheneOS @oneloop @Okuna @andree4live @Tutanota Really hoping you've managed to convince Samsung! I'm not going to buy a Chinese device.
@bonsai861 @GrapheneOS @oneloop @Okuna @Tutanota I think you can forget about Samsung. The bootloader can no longer be opened, and support for other ROMs is simply not available.
@andree4live @GrapheneOS @oneloop @Okuna @Tutanota I was hoping it was Sony but they aren't in the top 10 OEMs so its likely a Chinese owned OEM, which means the next phone I buy won't be a GrapheneOS capable device. Maybe time to switch to @jolla
@andree4live @GrapheneOS @oneloop @Okuna @Tutanota @jolla Of course, but the companies themselves don't need to be, I wish they would have considered that negative.
Rebel Zhang@bonsai861 @andree4live @oneloop @Okuna @Tutanota SailfishOS has poor privacy compared to AOSP and extraordinarily bad security. It doesn't have basic standard patches and protections. Their hardware has far worse security than mainstream hardware. Unlike AOSP, SailfishOS also isn't open source but rather most of what's specific to it is closed source. It's not possible to fork SailfishOS as it is with AOSP and it's a much worse starting point for privacy and security regardless of that.
Gareth Kitchen@GrapheneOS
My money's on OnePlus because it's the closest match to Pixel's hardware security spec. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
My money's on OnePlus because it's the closest match to Pixel's hardware security spec. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota this is very difficult to achieve apps make background dns requests to google constantly the very few that dont are usually offline apps or just a rare app in general most day to day apps and websites make requests including banks
@LearnToLivePrivate @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota no, I disagree. Apps on my phone use my DNS settings to make and requests. I put my DNS to a no-log Adblock DNS and have not seen google dns requests by apps.
I have roughly 80 apps on my phone and none bypasses my dns settings.
I have roughly 80 apps on my phone and none bypasses my dns settings.
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota that does not make sense thoe you can absolutely block google entirely nextdns allows a no google filter which will do this but you said you block it with a no log adblock so if its no log then yes you wont see it the only way to see a google dns request is to watch some form of log. Thats the first and second to use certain apps you cant entirely block google bank apps for example I know becouse I have used next dns to try to.
@LearnToLivePrivate @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota it does make sense. When I install a new app, I enable logging, check what they do and then disable it.
Since I do not use Banking apps on my phone I cannot say. And I believe it also depends where you are located…
Since I do not use Banking apps on my phone I cannot say. And I believe it also depends where you are located…
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota now if you have noted and refuse all apps the require a google dns so be it but I know for a fact your use is limited ive done it already in the past and reverted to heavy filtering but allowing some google dns requests for example good luck using streaming apps i struggle to use use entire exploit protections on graphene os becouse some like paramount+ require dcl via memory or via storage so I have to isolate in a seperate profile and vpn.
@LearnToLivePrivate @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota google dns means 8.8.8.8 or what do you mean? I think you may mean google play services or firebase or such, which in my books has nothing to do with DNS.
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota nope im talking pure dns requests that apps make in the background and same with websites
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota from what your saying I think you are using something like 1.1.1.1 or another and assume theres no google but your looking surfuce layer i use next dns not googles dns by which if I dont specifically filter apps I will still make background google querys its how the web works your just using a dns service that is not googles but you have to specifically filter to actually block google
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota ive even heavily restricted java and that also creates issues you have no choice on some things you just have to take precautions like isolation
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota truly fully blocking google will heavily restrict your use thats fact you can do some things but you will be heavily restricted
@Okuna @andree4live @oneloop @Tutanota again just to overstate it im talking a complete google block not just analytics becouse blocking just trackers and analytics is very different