OK, thanks. I guess I’ll be migrating to those and setting up a donation - if they don’t use Github sponsors.

Me being reminded I have my mbin account abandoned: 👀

Looks like I’ll be checking that out.

I disagree. You are right that through federation and open source you can create your instance if another instance is a nazi bar. But now you open your new bar. Should you buy chairs from the nazis for your bar? Is it not a problem if the nazis are the only ones producing chairs?

That is to me the analogy with lemmy. Yes I don’t have to be on .ml. But I don’t want to sit on the transphobic, genocide denier built chair either.

Technology and society don’t exist in separate spheres and we should always consider them together.

So go with piefed if you can. I haven’t had any complaints since I switched :)

PieFed and mBin exist. Both do everything Lemmy does, and a bit more. They use less resources as well. What reason would there be for forking Lemmy? The only reason Lemmy is the most popular one among these is that it was the first one. Since then, better things have surfaced.

We all have limits. For some communicating with those who tolerate genocide is alright, for others using their software is fine, and for even others they will happily give money to them à la “it’s not me, so why should I care?”. But if the number of people who don’t care is not enough to sustain that software development, it will have an effect. We can wait to see if we get that far or do something about it.

I’ll check out Piefed and Mbin as that seems to be most common answer here.

PieFed is essentially what OP means. It exists, it does everything Lemmy does, and a bit more. And it does it faster, both for the user and for server resources.

This is the “radical centrist” position, and it’s serves the fascist power structure.

None of the things you’re comparing to each other are equal or opposite. You’re functionally saying “I consider good and evil to be equal, I tolerate intolerance”.

I’m not sure if you stand behind your examples, because you didn’t really say anything.

For starters…if you wanted to address the topic you would have compared apples to apples ie fascists to tankies. You can’t casually imply fascists and communists are two ends of a spectrum and both have interesting points to make, that’s absurd: the former are evil, and the latter are dreamers. The rest of your examples are similar.

I totally support what you said. If I don’t support someone financially by using his or her product I don’t see a big issue. And when reading through Lemmy comments for any given open source project there is at least one comment saying the mantainer said or did something or even a contributer is an asshole or has the wrong political view and therefore nobody should use the Programm. As long as the maintainer try’s to make something that more or less follows my views for a open and decentralized web I’m fine. If I think about donating on the other hand I would check if the morals are on the same line

This is some of the most pretentious, ostentatious posturing I’ve read on this topic.

You really think people can’t see through this?

You don’t see the irony in doing the “sophomoric debate club” thing while calling those that disagree with you “Kids”.

“Dangerous trends”, “base of intolerance” or the pompous drivel about “grow my ideas and enforce and dispute them” are almost comical in their tone.

The world doesn’t work that way. This motherfucking internet forum.

Or is this a satire of American style polemics and I got played? 🤣

If it’s satire, then good play.

OK, let’s say somebody who hates you to the core and wants to see you dead made software you found great. All they said was stuff like “I think your kind deserves to be shot”, “your kind are subhuman”, “they hung your kind and I see nothing wrong with that”.

Would you use their software? Would you enjoy being part of the numbers that they use to validate getting money, maybe even power? Would you publicly promote their software? Would you get others to use it? Would you even donate to them? Would you get others to donate to them?

Just a quick note that PieFed allows you to block all users from a given instance, like a personal defederation with no need for admin powers. Your way also works, but you’d have to block thousands of users individually, plus new ones that sign up later.

While in contrast the option that looks like it would work easily, the “instance block”, in fact is strongly misleading - still allowing those users to vote on your content, reply to you, submit posts in other communities, DM you, triggering notifications, etc. Essentially it does not “block” the “instance” at all, only muting communities hosted on them.

It’s the Communist tradition to force it on people because they don’t want anything to do with it otherwise.

Mbin is just kinda weird. I guess there aren’t too many people who are after a Reddit-like that also care too much about microblogging. Or maybe they do but the microblogging part of Mbin is just an inferior experience to Bluesky or Mastodon anyway? Or maybe people just dislike having to call shitposts in meme communities “articles” in “magazines”?

Usually it is as this point things turn to shit in opensource/community/fediverse/cooperative. The devs are not the product.

What does this even mean? Who creates something doesn’t matter at all? If that’s the case, then using Microshaft products doesn’t matter, does it? They can provide the infra and software for bombing Gaza but who cares right? They make software that is worth using so we should keep giving them money. No problem.