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Maxxi Dec 21

@ami_angelwings He wasn't really gone for that long but I believe Gul Dukat was meant to be out of Deep Space Nine after the federation takes back the station and they really should have left it like that. Everything he does after that point is so goofy and unnecessary

Ami Angelwings Dec 21

@bogpunk him having a mental breakdown in a holding cell should have been the perfect end to him

Ami Angelwings Dec 21

@bogpunk not that I liked the pah wraith thing in general but if you had to do it doing it with just Wynn made much more sense than having her be Dukat's lackey, but I don't think either of them needed a glorious anti Christ end. Wynn was just a slimeball politician masquerading as a religious figure who lucked into her position because the former Kai is on a neverending war planet and her competition had a scandal unearthed and then he died of Data brain

Maxxi Dec 21

@ami_angelwings I think DS9 had a recurring issue of Too Many Villains tbh. It would have been fine in a traditional format like TNG where they just show up periodically in stand alone episodes but DS9 had the cardassians, gul dukat specifically, the dominion (with the founders, the vorta, and the jem'hadar all having their own motivations at various times), the maquis, the pah wraiths, kai wynn, brunt, the klingons (with gowron specifically), and probably more that I'm forgetting, all having stuff going on concurrently in a continuing narrative. It felt a bit like the writers were juggling too much at times

Maxxi Dec 21

@ami_angelwings AND section 31!

Ami Angelwings Dec 21

@bogpunk there were way too many villains, every character needed their own villain

@bogpunk and evil kira

@bogpunk the breen added in at the very end

@ami_angelwings odo sometimes

@bogpunk I wanted that Odo heel turn to go longer dammit

@bogpunk I think they intended the occupation arc to last a season but couldn't figure out what to regularly do with the rest of the cast if they aren't on the station and it also hurt that arc, should have ended the season with retaking the station and Dukat leaving the narrative forever, then use the next season to wrap up the war

@ami_angelwings feels kind of like the battlestar reboot in a way. Ambitious arc that disrupts everything, and then the writers don't know what to do so they just turn it into christianity

@bogpunk sisko was more like Hercules than Jesus, Sheridan was Jesus in B5

@bogpunk also it's kinda weird that Joseph Sisko f-ed a goddess and it's kinda glossed over

@bogpunk oh also yeah the showrunners even admitted that the Klingon War was a mistake and they wasted a season making the Klingons the bad guys when they just ended up being good guys again, they did it for the DS9 is not TNG shock factor of "see the Klingons are bad again!" thing and had no idea what to do after that

Not surprisingly Moore would go on to make BSG

Maxxi

@ami_angelwings yeah it definitely felt like a ratings play tbh

@bogpunk that's something B5 did better than DS9 since they had a plan and mostly stuck to it, popular charismatic villains die and they stay dead, the death of Refa was shocking and very well earned, the actor even asked what he did to deserve being written out and JMS said because he played the character so well the death will have meaning

@ami_angelwings I really gotta watch that sometime

@bogpunk proof of how Dukat continuing made no sense is also when he interacts with Damar before they part, Dukat just doesn't care about Damar killing Ziyal and then they part friends even though Damar is on the brink of changing sides

@ami_angelwings I am glad Nana Visitor managed to talk them out of an episode where him and Kira sleep together at least. Even if the compromise was still probably the worst episode of DS9

@ami_angelwings wild that anyone thought it was a good idea for the first thing Dukat does after coming back is to call Kira and say "I fucked your mom, Major. Well, bye." and then for Kira to travel back in time to see if it's true which is apparently something Bajorans can just do as long as they promise not to mess anything up

@bogpunk shocked they didn't decide that Kira was actually his daughter, and then they still have sex

@bogpunk they should have had Dukat and Kira's mom have a kid so Kira has a secret half-sister who is Dukat's daughter and she's evil like a comic book

Also evil Kira from the AU can have sex with Dukat too and have a daughter that wants to be good

@bogpunk I'm actually shocked Dukat and Evil Kira never hooked up, Dukat would be so into that

@ami_angelwings and then they all have sex in an incestuous interdimensional orgy

@bogpunk oh no