I mentioned how coffee doesn't keep me awake, and someone suggested that was an ADHD thing. I had heard people say it's an autistic thing. Which is it? Is it both? Is it just that a lot of autistic people are also ADHD?

#ActuallyAutistic

@JeremyMallin
I've mostly heard it's associated with ADHD but for many of us it's not really possible to seperate the ADHD and Autistic stuff out so.

This article explains some of the brain chemistry that might explain this phenomenon
https://evolvepsychiatry.com/blog/why-does-coffee-make-me-tired-if-i-have-adhd-the-science-behind-the-paradox

Why Does Coffee Make Me Tired If I Have ADHD? The Science Behind the Paradox — Evolve Psychiatry

Discover how caffeine affects the ADHD brain, why it can lead to sleepiness instead of focus, and practical tips to manage energy, mood, and mental clarity.

Evolve Psychiatry
@Zumbador
That article was very enlightening. It makes me think that I probably do not have ADHD, or at least it is not responsible for this phenomenon. I don't think it actually makes me tired. It just doesn't wake me up. It doesn't seem to affect my energy levels or alertness at all either way.

@JeremyMallin

The article is pretty superficial and I wouldn't be surprised, if "AI" was used for more than just the image.

It also doesn't say that caffein makes you tired, if you have ADHD, but just presents possible reasons.

"Dosage, set and setting" also applies to caffein and the same person can affected differently by a drug.

To use a simple example, the same person can need caffein to get out of bed in the morning, but become sleepy and take a nap in the afternoon.

@Zumbador

@JeremyMallin

I once tried to describe how caffein affects me and the text got so long, that I lost track of what I've already written, so I never finished it.

Another problem I see here, is that the vocabulary to describe our state is very limited.
I've talked about this problem with others already and "it makes me tired" can mean different things, that are expressed in the same way, because we lack words in our language to be more precise.

@Zumbador

@JeremyMallin

I don't remember the number, but I've once tried to collect "states", that are described by the word "tired" and I got more than 10 states, I think even more than 20.

I know there are words like "fatigued", "exhausted" or "sleepy", but even those are pretty imprecise.

We'd probably need a bunch of scales like how much of a need you feel to sleep, how easy it feels to fall asleep, how likely you are to fall asleep, how relaxed/slouched or tense you are and so on.

@Zumbador