nixCraft 🐧Dec 17

Waterfox: No AI* Here - A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter

https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

No AI* Here - A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter - Waterfox Blog

Mozilla's pivot to AI first browsing raises fundamental questions about what a browser should be.

Waterfox
Show threadnixCraft 🐧Dec 17

LibreWolf is another option. It is a custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom with all bad bits (like LLM/AI, No trackers/telemetry, enhanced privacy etc) removed.

* Repo https://codeberg.org/librewolf

* Home page https://librewolf.net

LibreWolf

A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom. Please report issues to https://codeberg.org/librewolf/issues.

Codeberg.org
Show threadDavid de GrootDec 17
@nixCraft this is what I’ve moved to. Less restrictive than Waterfox.
Show threadSarDec 17

@david @nixCraft

I've found Librewolf to be way more restrictive. What ways are Waterfox more restrictive?

Genuinely curious, because I'm looking at Firefox forks atm and am using Floorp right now, which seems decent.

Show threadDavid de GrootDec 17
@Sar @nixCraft I installed Waterfox the other day on macOS and had a serious of issues loading pages, or getting the only two ff plugins I use to work. So I moved to Librewolf and after checking the box to "Fix most sites" in the security settings, everything seems to be working ok.
Show threadSarDec 17

@david @nixCraft

Ahh, ok fair then. Odd it would have issues with plugins. I'm still in the testing with FF forks atm, as I think I'm moving away from Vivaldi which is unfortunately crashing tabs on Bazzite Linux for me.

Otherwise I'd continue using it as I have done for a few years now.

The best I've found so far are Floorp, Zen, Waterfox and Librewolf.

Show threadmark zeroDec 17

@Sar @david @nixCraft

I just installed Zen a few hours ago. Whats the big difference between it and Librewolf? So far for me vertical tabs are harder to get used to than anything else :P

Oh, and Zen also said no AI stuff, except perhaps eventually opt-in small llm for things like tab sorting.

Show threadSarDec 17

@markzero The vertical tabs in Zen were the main reason I've not chosen it as my main browser.

Librewolf has an aim to be more locked-down, secure and private than Firefox, whereas Zen seems to be more about aesthetics.

Each of the forks tend to have their own aims and ethos, so it's mainly a case of which one suits your own particular use-case or needs 😀

Show threadReinout van SchouwenDec 17
@Sar
True. May I ask what puts you off about vertical tabs? For me they improve the browsing experience significantly.
@markzero
Show threadmark zero

@reinouts @Sar besides the muscle memory, it seems very inconsistent in whether it switches to new tabs after they're created or if it stays showing a blank new tab. I just tried it and picked 2 tabs from the suggested tabs, and it popped them open on my screen, but then when I picked a third it didn't pop that one open.
Also, when I have only a few horizontal tabs I can see more of the page name and most importantly an x to close them, without having to mouse over them. With verticals, I have to mouse over them to see the x to remove them.

I don't have super-wide screens on most of my gear, just 1920x mostly, so dragging the sidebar out further to see everything does take up more space I would be using otherwise. Or at least it feels like it :) It also means a full screen browser page is no longer centered, but offset...

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