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Kritik Digital Dec 12

The Danish government is using the upcoming Christmas break to slip through a public consultation for a draft law that would make it an OFFENCE to use a #VPN to access content that would otherwise not be available in Denmark, or to circumvent the blocking of "illegal" websites. https://hoeringsportalen.dk/Hearing/Details/70858

This is done under the guise of ensuring a technologically neutral implementation of Directive 98/84 on pay-TV decoders (hint: the IP address is NOT a conditional access device).

@je5perl sigh.. I wonder how they intend to enforce that. Whole point of using for example a VPN is that it won't really be possible to trace what a specific user accessed.

Jan Penfrat Dec 10

@jacobbaungard @je5perl Oh no, this is really shit. If passed, it would allow the Danish government to argue that deep packet inspection #DPI for the discovery and blocking of #VPN traffic is needed, and then you have a Danish #GreatFirewall.

Curious to hear what Danish businesses would say to that?

John Rohde Jensen Dec 10

@ilumium @jacobbaungard @je5perl Wonderful, the danish government wants to be just as authoritarian as China. Those mofo's need to go.

@ilumium @je5perl so far they don't say they want to limit VPN usage in general I think, "just" that it is illegal to use that as a method to access blocked sites / geo restrictions / age verification etc.

Bart Smit / ⲁⲗⲍⲓⲙⲟⲛ Dec 10

@jacobbaungard @ilumium @je5perl Does the intention even matter? The purpose of a system is what it does.

Jesper Lund Dec 10

@jacobbaungard This is very unclear from the proposal.

Wordings "with the purpose of getting unauthorised access to.." (suggesting a specific infringing use, which is already unlawful) AND "can be used to get unauthorised access to.." (suggesting the possibility of unlawful use is enough) are used interchangeably in the draft law.

The provision itself, currently limited to pay-TV decoders, criminalise distribution and possession of conditional access control circumvention as such. @ilumium

Jan Penfrat Dec 11

Thank you for the clarifications @je5perl, maybe I should have said "might" rather than "would," as I am being over-anxious. From what you describe this sounds indeed similar to previous attempts to outlaw other "circumvention" tools like the TV decoders you mention or like freeing ebooks.

Thank you for keeping us updated.

RealHobberman Dec 10

@ilumium @jacobbaungard @je5perl I'm taking this as a reason to practice setting up a cheap vps in a favorable jurisdiction to proxy my traffic. I might need thia in case my ISP tries to block vpn traffic.

@RealHobberman @ilumium @jacobbaungard @je5perl

As long as you can change your DNS-Settings (which your Vpn-Provider also does) I don't believe, they can block anything and to do this would be at least against EU-Law, resulting in high financial punishment. They will not get it through.

🇵🇸 Álvaro González Dec 10

@je5perl How are VPN users supposed to know that a given service is unavailable in Denmark? This is pretty much a whole ban on VPNs, isn't it?

Jesper Lund Dec 10

@kAlvaro I am pretty sure the purpose is to get people to stop using VPNs

@kAlvaro @je5perl As a Russian, I can explain this: it is a problem of the end-user and since there are no easy solution to check the "list of the blocked sites" in the realtime, the government will have the next "cool" things:

1) Some people stop to use VPN because they will afraid of punishment.

2) If people continue to use it, then the government will have a "legal reason" to prosecute or punish them. Which is useful if you want to put to the jail some political activists – just accuse that they were used VPN to visit "wrong sites", if you found the cendorship evasion software on their phones or computers.

Johan Pelck Olsen Dec 10

@je5perl mon ikke det handler om den kommende aldersverifikation? Hvis det uddrag du bringer her står til troende vil det vel være ulovligt for en 15-årlig at bruge TikTok via vpn…?

DarkWolf Dec 10

@je5perl No more working from home for Danish poeple, then :)
Lawmakers are fucking ignorant idiots.
And they obviously know how bad this is, as they would not abuse Christmas recess to force this through otherwise.

@je5perl of course, got to get that into place before age verification takes effect

I have to ask, who the actual fuck do these legislators believe they represent?

Same with the chat control nonsense in most of Europe, the age verification in AU.

And, of course, the actual Nazis in control of most of the US government.

Will the voting public give'm the boot? Will there even be a less horrible alternative to vote for?

@je5perl I wonder, why, why this insane push in Denmark? The rest of the EU, ok, the big players proxy lobbyists, or as in Germany, just flat out CEOs made ministers. But Denmark?

Troels Halken 🇵🇸 🇪🇺 🇬🇪🇷🇸🇭🇺🇬🇱🇺🇦 🇮🇷🇱🇧🇧🇭🇨🇺Dec 11

The idea is to get us use an ID for social media...

@je5perl At least they're keeping the responsibility within their jurisdiction.

Timo Grün Dec 11

@je5perl
Beelzebub’s dictionary:

Conservatives: We are very very stupid and won’t tolerate anyone who isn’t

squareScarletCougar 🐱Dec 11

@je5perl I'd like to know who are the individuals that not only propose this bill, but also support it

Aksel Jensen Dec 12

@je5perl As I read the proposal, quite a few things will be outlawed: using the Internet Archive to read an old article now behind a paywall; changing DNS provider to access blocked Russian media or to download legal content from The Pirate Bay; using a VPN to buy a streaming service subscription in another country, even if the content itself is only accessed without a VPN; using a VPN to bypass age verification or GDPR-related geo-blocking. That's crazy! Am I reading things correctly, @je5perl?

Aksel Jensen Dec 14

@je5perl A lot of YouTube videos are sponsored by VPN providers, so I guess that the advertising ban means that these videos will be banned as well if they mention geo-blocking. Ironically, the way to get around this is to use a VPN.