dogbertWesterners and western propaganda. Name a more iconic duo.
WildmimicThere is a massive difference between the two scenarios: In the UK, Monarchy is a tourism thing without any real power and the propaganda is more like an advertisement; In China, the power is concentrated in the party, the propaganda has a completely different goal.
Cowbee [he/they]The picture on the bottom is of the DPRK, not the PRC.
naevaTheRatOne of the funniest things is when someone shows their strong opinions are well informed by recognising what they’re looking at.
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BadTourism thing that conveniently happens to be the biggest land owner and tax evader in the country.
The King is the only person who voluntarily pays tax.
Both are display of nationalism.
Those two nations have very different political systems. One of the pictures include a large display to the glory of dear leader.
One of the pictures include a large display to the glory of dear leader.
Pretty insane that you can’t see the direct parallel between this and a literal fucking monarchy. They’ve made songs for them, built palaces, the entire country stopped and wept when the queen died… If a bunch of asians did that you’d be going on about their “glorious dear leader” without a hint of irony.
'Scept the monarchy thing is purely cringe nationalism; the british royalty have no power to actually govern - influence perhaps, but a shockingly small amount, and no authority to back it up. The other image is of the same kind of monarchy-esque celebration but for the leader of the government. That’s why it’s bad, it’s a monarchy-esque display but for someone who actually has a huge amount of power.
Nobody talks about the monarchy being a celebration of “dear leader” because it fundementally isn’t, the royal family aren’t leaders.
Your distinction of power is irrelevant and somewhat incorrect (the royals hold a great deal of power still). Both are forms of propaganda to manipulate the population. Acting like this distinction of power is some kind of show-stopping distinction between the two is purely a coping mechanism. Look how they got you…
Lmfao what? “It’s not different because I say it isn’t” just take the L here bud, the details of your compairson don’t hold up. It’s also highly relevant since it directly contradicts the incorrect assertions of the meme. The UK royals have no authority to govern or make policy. That’s going to be a really hard fact to get past, no matter how devastating to your argument it might be.
Sounds like you aren’t able to come up with a response to any of my points, so I’ll just assume you’re out of your depths here. Horrible.
Dude I addressed the blatantly false premise your points were based on instead of the points themselves, because addressing them individually would imply a tacit acceptance of the faulty assertions they’re founded upon.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Let me know when you’re ready for an adult conversation.
Yeah, I know you don’t. I’ll freely admit it was kinda self-indulgent to try and explain such a basic aspect of debate, and I was just happily dunking on you under the assumption it’d go over your head and you’d play off the superiority complex to try to save some face.
I notice you haven’t replied to the other commenter which laid out in much clearer terms what I’m saying here, and goes into more details about why you’re full o’ crap - if you’re so interested in an “adult conversation” why haven’t you just gone to engage with them instead?
The monachy in the UK has the decorum but basically none of the power.
It’s fair and even fun to mock the UK monarchy decorum, but there’s no comparison between UK and DPRK in term of power held by the leader, and the level of totalitarism. The comparison in the post’s image is so ludicrous, I seriously wonder if that’s trolling, it’s hard to imagine someone really believing that while being outside of North Korea and having free access to information.
There are opposition groups and even an anti-monarchy group in the UK and their members don’t end up in prison camp for not being loyal to the royal family.
infinitesunriseFYI nationalist events in the UK absolutely feature big pictures of their royal, I know you said “the pictures” to be tactical but there’s also stuff not pictured.
Yes, there are nationalists events in nearly every country with big pictures of their leader, with varying prevalence and level of acceptance. In DPRK this is imposed. In some places that’s normalized, but not imposed. In other places that’s fringe and considered unhealthy level of adoration, and openly mocked, as it should be.
abbiistabbiiYou’re right and you should say it.
Needs text alternative (inaccessible content is right wing).
figurehead monarch
actual dictator
same thing! 😊
AceFuzzLordA more iconic duo is humans in general, westerners and easterners falling for propaganda. Nobody is safe or immune from it.
Our glorious heritage vs their barbarous nationalism.
One of those two countries threatens your life and your families life if you don’t comply with the monarch worship propaganda.
www.hrw.org/news/2018/…/human-rights-north-korea
Surely it’s not controversial to say North Korea is a totalitarian state ruled by an absolute leader that outlawed and violently represses any and all forms of political opposition, including those to his left, right?
I’m the first to shit on peoples’ inability to see past cold war propaganda, as evidenced by a lot of my post history in this subreddit or one of my related comics or another one, there’s plenty. Speaking as a non-reactionary, the DPRK is one of the worst examples to use in your comparison. It is not a country you should be stanning for, or using as a tool in a stupid game of “source for human rights abuse???”. It does get a very unfair treatment and representation in western media and diplomacy, sure, but it doesn’t make it a good comparison when the other one is a country where you can publicly denounce the propaganda without making yourself a target.
Where are all the DPRK Lemmy users? Oh yes, right, probably too busy smoking the “works cited” bong to participate.
Did you seriously just link HRW as evidence? Not gonna take the word from a western organization that is nothing more than an extension of imperialism. What a joke lol.
Right, only juche sources will be tolerated when discussing the juche. Glory to our dear leader and his socialist utopia.
Have fun with your public self-humiliation ritual, I’m not into it.
Sounds like you weren’t able to find anything so you gotta shit and piss about socialism. Hilarious.
You guys gotta get better at this. The rightwing actually convinces people of this shit and is kicking your ass at it. This whole tankie dumb shit fake joking “lol pwned” will never get anyone on your side. Do better.
One is a democracy with a figurehead monarch that the populace could get rid of if there was popular demand for it.
The other is an absolute monarchy that will kill you for criticising the monarch.
Are you serious? North Korea kills people for all kinds of things. E.g. Watching foreign media
Edit: they were never heard from again 🤣
Sorry I’m not terminally online like you. I actually have a life outside of simping for North Korea online.
You just sent me a link of people getting executed for distributing illegal materials. The topic was about criticizing the monarchy 🤣
I’ll give you another opportunity to prove this claim you made. I will wait.
My point - as you very well know - was that NK kills its citizens for practically anything. That includes criticism of the monarch, which is classified as treason there.
As you are also very well aware, nothing like that happens in the UK. People freely criticise/mock the figurehead monarch all the time.
Being a tanky is very cringey.
lmao, western countries simply export their murder, instead of doing it at home. Much bigger numbers too. Those brown people aren’t worthy victims in your mind though.
Western governments kill foreigners for criticising their heads of state?
I am brown, fuckwit.
Even worse, you don’t even have to criticize anyone. They’ll just kill ya for being the way lmao.
Lmao
You’re a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Move to North Korea if it’s the paradise you think it is.
they were never heard from again
Unlike you feds, real people have shit to do outside online trolling and tankiebaiting
Please could you provide a source that you don’t stick your thumb in your butt then lick it.
I can wait.
apotheotic (she/her)Both of these are brainwashed idiocy