58008TIL that Anthony Kiedis of The Red Hot Chili Peppers is a self-confessed child molester, according to his autobiography 'Scar Tissue'
Snot Flickerman“Molester” is putting it lightly.
chemical_cutthroatHe was about 20 years old at the time, a rock star signed to a label, and a hardcore drug addict. I’m not excusing the behavior, but I’m not sure what anyone was expecting. I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone in this time period in his situation that wasn’t a massive piece of shit.
Edit: Some real libertarians up in this thread…
njm1314It’s weird, I was 20 years old once. I knew a lot of people who were 20 years old the same time I was 20 years old. None of them raped any children. Some of them were in bands, they didn’t rape any children. Some of them were addicted to drugs, they didn’t rape any children.
tomiantIt was clearly fully consensual, it’s hyperbole to call it “rape” unless there was coercion. A girl willingly coming on to an older man and having sex with them is not the same as a girl being violently assaulted in a field, calling everything “rape” is spitting on actual rape victims.
TomLegally it depends on local laws. Morally it’s really up to debate, but there definitely are some 14-year-olds that are mature enough to consent.
hoshikarakitaridialegally it depends on local laws.
Yeah nah. Romeo & Juliet laws don’t cover this because 14 and 20 is too far apart. And you can not legally consent if you’re under in almost all developed countries 18. There is no legal debate for these countries.
There definitely are some 14-year-olds that are mature enough to consent.
Hard disagree. Some will say or act like they consent but at 14 your brain is not fully developed. They might find out how bad of a decision that was only 10 years later. Consent does not only mean verbal or physical agreement, but also to be absolutely sure someone has a full understanding of all actions and consequences, and at 14 you can not presume that. There’s a reason the age of consent is 18. Almost everyone has developed a grasp of these things at 18yo and above.
He is not a Jeffrey Epstein, but holy shit call it what it is.
Not defending the action, but age of consent is not 18 in all countries or states.
While technically correct, it’s worth pointing out that must places still have stachatory laws in there too. My state for instance has age of consent at 16 but if one of the participants is older than 18 the younger or their legal guardian can press charges.
This is because it’s unreasonable to expect dating 16 year olds are celibate and punishing them is dumb, however, by 18 you should know you don’t fuck kids in highschool and then it’s left up to the case by case to decide.
Tell me you are from the USA without telling me you are from the USA.
Calling literally ALL of Europe “not developed” is… something. Age of consent in EU is around 15, and it is 14 in many countries including Germany (which has equivalent of Romeo & Juliet laws above the age of 21, but still 14 and 20 sleeping together would be 100% legal).
So, please look outside of your borders once in a while, it may change your perspective. :)
So much wrong with this…I encourage you to actually look up the laws you’re talking about before you start exploiting minors in Europe. For starters, the EU has no age of consent.
In Germany, performing sexual actions on a child, i.e. minors below 14, is a crime, commonly called child abuse. If someone is working with minors, e.g. as a teacher, it’s illegal to perform sexual actions on minors below 16 or 18, respectively, if they are in some authority relation with said minor (e.g. their teacher).
Yes every country in Europe has laws that address power relationships and ages of consent. “Age of consent in EU is around 15” is a meaningless statement and “14 and 20 sleeping together would be 100% legal” is quite incomplete with regard to Germany. People have been throwing variations of these statements around the internet since the beginning.
I’m literally from Europe lol
gandalf_der_12teAnd you can not legally consent if you’re under 18 in almost all developed countries.
It’s odd how you’re not old enough to consent to sex (which is, you know, lending your body to somebody else) but you’re old enough to work for a company (which is, you know, lending your body to somebody else).
Found Anthony Keedis’ Lemmy account
He did specify that he was also a rockstar and a drug addict. I don’t think their point was just the age
As someone who’s gone through a meth addiction, I’ve seen it warp people and make them capable of things they’d never do normally. And I do mean sexually. This has been a topic at every HIV clinic I’ve worked for, the counselors would have pretty typical straight guys who would turn into nympho gay bottoms once they got high. I don’t think it’s a latent sexuality thing, I think their circuits are just so blown out they turn into a different person entirely. I’ve not been addicted to heroin (yet!) but I have to assume there’s similar dissociation and personality changes from chronic use.
Writing about it later is gross as hell but 2004 was peak “gross fucking masculinity” time when this sort of shit was almost celebrated, so I can see him or the ghostwriter thinking it would be a brag of some sort.
Is he still doing it now that he’s sober? Is he contrite? These are things I would factor in, even if it was a pattern during his drug use. I haven’t followed RHCP in a very long time so IDK.
Seth TaylorThe 2000s were this millenium’s David Spade phase
ComradeSharkfuckerDude I was 20 a few years ago and also addicted to drugs. Never thought about raping a 14 year old though. I am not saying I am surprised by his behavior, but I am saying it is disgusting regardless of any circumstances.
I fully support Romeo and Juliet laws to not punish horny teenagers for being horny teenagers, but a 6 year difference at 14 years old is completely out of any reasonable scope to make an exception. Doubly so when the guy was so nonchalant about it 20 years later.
TattorackI think it has more to do with the tone with which he recalls the incident. There is no regret or acknowledgment of how inappropriate that was.
lol 20years suddenly dont engage in sleeping with minor, just because they are drugs. the drugs likely disinibited his predilection towards minor. its like say a pedophile became that way because he wasnt loved by his parents, P45 is an example.
kindredYeah at first it was him having sex unknowingly with a 14-yo. But dude had sex with her again after learning she was 14 and wrote a song about it. Wtf
You don’t unknowingly have sex with a 14yo. I don’t think I’ve met any that could pass for an adult. You have to be at least complacent with having sex with minors for that to happen and you not at least consider that they’re too young.
I’ve known a bunch of 14-yos who manages to get into bars and to buy alcohol even from state alcohol stores where they’re really strict because people thought they were (at least) 18-yo. A 14-yo managing to get people to think they are 18 (or whatever the age of consent was there at the time) isn’t the hard to believe thing about this story imo, but with the situation described here, the scrutiny over someone’s age might’ve not been all that thorough.
vaultdweller013While I’m a guy so the rules ain’t quite the same but when I was 14 I could easily grab scratchers since I had a full stache a patchy but pretty far along beard. I looked like a baby faced 18 or 19 year old when in reality I hit puberty right fucking early at 8.
SkunkWorkzYeh I know twenty something year old women who can still look like they are 15 years old if they dress and do their hair and makeup like a 15 year old. Guess the reverse is also true.
VeganBtwI was a doorman at a nightclub in the UK in the 90s. Believe me, there are young teens that can totally pass for adults. You’d be blind to think otherwise. We had to ID almost everyone. Conversely there were many 18 year olds that looked like literal children.
Seems pretty damn consensual to me. Pretty weird you’d want to do that as a grown man, but whatever, if they were both fine with it I don’t care.
The issue is that it needs to be informed consent, rather than just “they said yes”… or even worse, “they didn’t say no”. I feel like I need a shower just typing that.
In this instance, the girl may have seemed like a willing participant - but anyone “consenting” when they’re below 16 (or whatever your local jurisdiction’s legal age is) needs to be taken with a truckful of salt, and in most cases is entirely inadmissable as a legal defence. I’m all for granting young adults the opportunity to make most decisions for themselves - but there are certain grey areas that their age renders them vulnerable to coercion or exploitation, sexual interactions being one of them.
There are of course very narrow exceptions - most notably the Romeo and Juliet laws, but it’s generally accepted that if one party is below the age of consent while the other isn’t, then the consent is not informed and therefore not valid.
It doesn’t have to be age-based either. It can be in environments where there is a sufficient difference in power dynamic (big difference in levels of seniority in the workplace; persons with learning disabilities or additional needs; or those with dependency issues) where consent is not informed and is the subject of coercion rather than genuine consent.
Adding to this, consent also depends on what you are consenting to and the risks that it entails. It’s one thing for a teenager to decide to do a low risk activity, but sex carries many risks such as pregnancy, STDs, and emotional distress from a poorly defined boundary being crossed. An adult can make an educated decision that understands these risks but a teenager is not equipped to do so
CheemsSeems pretty damn consensual to me.
Well, guess what
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
“Minors cannot consent.”
c/europe
psychOdelic she/herThat book is written like my fourth grade English assignment. (I’m German)
Who ghost wrote this
A German 4th grader.
Absolutely! I hear people saying about how good this autobiography is.  But I don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. It’s written in such a flat tone, it sounds like he was bored himself while writing it. 
Sometimes it’s not the quality of the text, but the events and the revealings making these books “so good” for many people.
I get it. And I think that’s what it was for people. But I still don’t fully “get” it because it was like any other rock stars autobiography: debauchery, sex, drug use. I guess people like reading about those.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolescence
There is a meaningful difference between these stages of life, and conflating the two to call someone a child molester weakens credibility and minimizes actual child molestation. I don’t fully understand this extreme desire to redefine “child” as “anyone under 18” but it doesn’t really seem like the goal is protecting children.
I remember being a teenager, and I remember being a child, and the two were quite a bit different when it came to sexuality. If you want to equate the sexual abuse of an actual child with consensual teenage sex, ask yourself: which of these would you choose if you had to pick one?
consensual teenage sex
Teenagers cannot consent to sex with adults. Especially not rich and famous adults with careers they idolize. It is not a matter of what I would prefer, this is unacceptable, period, end of story. What he did was rape not sex. This person was not capable of informed consent with him.
What he did was statutory rape, which is legally and ethically distinct from rape and child molestation.
I just think the distinction matters, and that the latter are clearly much worse.
Like on Reddit, distinction on this topic is seen as some sort of peadophilic collaboration by these weirdly puritanical White Knights who believe that nobody has sex until they’re 21.
Of course having sex with a 14 year old is wrong, nobody should be claiming otherwise. But those that get sanctimonious because handsome A-list celebs in their 40s are having sex with women in their 20s are clearly projecting something else.
procapraNono, we believe that nobody should be having sex with minors as an adult. Very, very, different from your framing.
16 & 16? Fine 18 & 30? Weird, I’m gonna judge you, but totally legal. 14 & 24? Fucking disgusting, a crime, and you should never see the light of day for the rest of your life.
The most outspoken critics of large age gaps and people wanting to fuck teenage kids, that I’ve met, have been BDSM kinksters. Quite literally the opposite of puritanical white knights. It makes sense too, because power imbalance, consent, boundaries, are all heavily discussed in those groups.
What about 15 and 17? 14 and 16? Legal age of consent is France is 14. I’m in no way advocating it, but I think nuance and scale is important here. I’m well past 30 and wouldn’t personally have any interest in anyone much younger than myself. But scale is important. The guy from the Lost Profits wanted to fuck actual babies. He got what he deserved in prison. Should a French 17 year old with a 14 year old girlfriend get the same treatment?
Teenagers cannot consent to sex with adults.
according to what proof?
There’s literally a thing called the age of consent. It’s usually 18 or 16. You can go to war and kill at 18, but you’re not allowed to have sex with an ‘adult’?