Max LeibmanIf someone copies another person's post from another platform and pastes it here, should they link to the original, or at least say who they got it from?
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Kit Malone@maxleibman I can't even imagine an argument for doing otherwise that wouldn't amount to "Plagiarism is ok if I found it on Twitter"
jer@thekitmalone @maxleibman I've seen that argument a bunch, along with "the person I stole it from on Twitter probably stole it from someone else first"
derptron@nyquildotorg @thekitmalone @maxleibman I had my life threatened for pointing out plagiarism on myspace.
I once had my life threatened on Twitter for saying that I think pineapple on pizza is good so this tracks.
Tomas Ekeli@tomasekeli @thekitmalone Kit bought up plagiarism, which is specifically about concealing the origin and passing something off as one’s own work. Attributing it (saying who said it, even without a link to the original) would be enough, I think.
@tomasekeli @maxleibman @thekitmalone Meh. Doesn't impress me once you've decided to serve up Nazi copy pasta. I'm just going to be questioning your motives too much to care.
Why in heck would anyone want to steal a quote from a Nazi? Personally, if you are repeating the words of a Nazi I'd like to know.
Also yes direct linking: notably the only possible way to attribute words to a source on the Internet.
Aljoscha Rittner (beandev)Hmm. I don't think that's the fundamental problem. The question is, why can you take a screenshot from a Nazi platform and post it later on another social network?
If no one felt the need to hunt for posts on Nazi platforms, we wouldn't have to ask ourselves whether we should provide screenshots with source references.
Pino Carafa@beandev @tomasekeli @maxleibman @thekitmalone To expose the Nazi to the harsh light of day, I guess? While I can see why someone might want to do that, I'd be reluctant to do it myself. Sadly these days there's too much of a chance that the Nazi would profit from such exposure more than they would face repercussions.
Jonas Schäfer@tomasekeli @maxleibman @thekitmalone I get that on the one hand, we really don't want to give Nazis more of a platform than they already have.
On the other hand, earlier, I had a quite abhorrent (presumably) screenshot from Twitter in my timeline. I didn't know the Fediverse account which posted that screenshot.
I then mentally filed that post under "probably fake news" because it did not link back to the source and I thus couldn't easily verify it.
That's meh and I feel like normalizing not linking to the source trains people in the wrong direction regarding the ability to verify sources.
I think if one is already sharing a screenshot of Nazi content, linking to Nazi content doesn't change much. Am I missing something there?
PaulaToThePeople 😷@maxleibman They should stop doing that or at least hide it behind a CW.
proedie@maxleibman I say it depends on the kind of content. If it is a meme or a dad joke it not necessary.
Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦At this point, "don't link to nazis" FAR outweighs "attribute your sources".
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@osma I said link OR say where it came from (also, I edited it to say “who” it came from, which is more what I meant). Just because it was originally posted on X doesn’t mean it’s ok to pass it off as one’s own work, in my opinion.
⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe@osma @maxleibman if it's not okay to link to a nazi platform then it's surely also not okay to copy from it and then hide that you did.
(my own take is slightly different; but.)
scrottie (he/him/them)@maxleibman If the worst person I know is appropriating the language of social justice trying to pinkwash etc themselves, then I will gladly steal without credit. Otherwise I try to make it a point to.
Birdo de Todon@maxleibman In general, yes. In this particular case, I'd say no because the content is not original. There are hundreds of tweets (and press articles) about NASA's Opportunity rover and its final message. Besides, you don't have to copy verbatim.
Here is a thread, archived from feb. 12, 2019: https://archive.is/5lJdS
@Bluabirdo Exactly right that you don’t have to copy verbatim, but that’s what I’m talking about. I don’t care if someone posts the one-millionth post about a Mars rover if they wrote it themselves, even if it’s similar to the other 999,999. I do care if someone copies someone else’s post verbatim (including a punctuation error, in this case!) and posts it as if they said it themselves.
KerplunkIf someone copies another person's post from another platform and pastes it here, should they link to the original, or at least say who they got it from?
I think same should apply on any platform.
KanaMaunaMaybe. But things like memes or dumb jokes have probably been thoroughly recycled and don't need citations.
@KanaMauna Yeah, that I agree with. There’s an understanding with a visual meme in particular that the person posting it probably didn’t make it.
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irgendlink@maxleibman Answer Nr. 4: They should not copy other peoples posts and post it elsewhere. They should link it.
Cyrox@maxleibman Just for If that person is already on Mastodon and uploading their content on Mastodon too. So yeah, Credits are good.
Allen but one of the good ones@maxleibman giving credit and citing sources is just good manners. I don't care how they do things on facebooks, over here we do things right.
Andre Louis@uastronomer @maxleibman Couldn't agree more.
@uastronomer @maxleibman I have enough of this when people use my already free-to-use music without proper attribution. All I ask is that people credit me. I did the hard work of making it, you get to benefit from it.
Quino Schütz@maxleibman You post an either/or question and provide Yes and No as possible answers. I'm puzzled … 🧐
Melvin Gundlach@quino_schuetz @maxleibman It’s a Yes / No question. The „or at least“ section is still part of the single option.
@melgu @maxleibman If you see it that way, then it would be two questions for which the given options are inappropriate as well.
@quino_schuetz @maxleibman What? No, it’s a single question. How can you interpret my post differently?
„Should we do either of X or Y?“ is a single question that can be answered with Yes or No. It’s not an exclusive „or“, but an inclusive „or“.
@melgu You had to remove information so that the question can now be answered only with either Yes or No. That proves my point. Because only your reformulated question is a straightforward Yes/No question. As you will agree, Yes and No are mutually exclusive. If they weren't, both Yes and No would apply at the same time, which is impossible. Yes and No are the complete answers. If information beyond Yes or No is desired, further questions, and thus at least a second one, are required.
@quino_schuetz Wow, you obviously don’t *want* to understand, while everyone else here, clearly does. Have a good day.
@melgu It is very convenient to allege that someone doesn't want to understand. If you just wanted to leave the discussion whitout further reasonable arguments, then you have succeeded. Hence, I also quit. Have a good day, too.
@quino_schuetz @melgu “or at least” is meant to say they are part of a single option. I’m not asking you to pick one; I’m asking whether you think at least one of them is always necessary. Sorry for any confusion caused by the wording.
@maxleibman Unfortunately, the way you formulated it, for me your intended meaning is still not as obvious as my understanding. Nonetheless, thank you for the clarification.
Lee 🌏@maxleibman
I always share the person's name if it's going to lead to people discovering more quality content.
But I don't care if someone shares my posts with crediting.
I always share the person's name if it's going to lead to people discovering more quality content.
But I don't care if someone shares my posts with crediting.
Barbara Sliwinska@maxleibman someone said that taking out content of fb/ x and other large closed big corpo 'social' media is not copying, but freeing them 🙃
frostbane@maxleibman it should not be "yes", it should be "ofcourse". Credibility is a huge issue now, with all the fake news and AI slop circulating around the media.
Unshure@maxleibman Stealing content and reposting it everywhere for internet points has ruined the internet
FreediverX@maxleibman
Cite the source? Yes. Link to original? Depends on the platform it was posted to. I don’t want to see links to Twitter here.
Cite the source? Yes. Link to original? Depends on the platform it was posted to. I don’t want to see links to Twitter here.
RowinSpeez@maxleibman I'd say yes except if you quote somebody from Reddit, that's not even their original joke so anonymous attribution is fine.
@maxleibman I would suggest linking it properly for Fediverse content and posting a screen shot showing clearly who it's from but not making it easy with a clickable link for disreputable sources, with the understanding that there's a gray area between the two and no two people will agree exactly what its extent would be.
Alexander Goeres 𒀯@Max Leibman if you are citing someone you should always show who you are citing ...
Frank Heijkamp@maxleibman Yes, always include a link to the source.
Matt Mascarenhas@maxleibman [Yes] I do reckon if we're thinking of quoting someone's public post, we must be prepared to link to their original. This is so our readers can check if we quoted fairly.
But I'd actually like to get away from copy-paste altogether, in favour of "passing through" to the original. So, for a given revision of a message, we link to a particular subsection thereof. The subsection we want shows up in the flow of our own message, and the original shows up in full alongside.
Mudlark 
@maxleibman it depends. If it’s a joke or text opinion/observation then copying it is kinda lame (just share a screencap from the original post?) but probably fine, if unoriginal.
If it’s a drawing or art, then no fuck off 
lots of people on mastodon seem to think that because an artist they like isn’t on mastodon that makes it okay to reupload their work without explicit permission, and that’s such shit behaviour
MinameH❇️@maxleibman no, because don't like rules for no reason...
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RealGene ☣️@RealGene I agree with the sentiment, but I don’t think it being from Threads or X is an excuse. Firstly, because if you are copying a post from Threads or X, you’re also still on Threads or X. Secondly, because it’s not just about what the original poster deserves; my main problem is that to copy and not give credit is to pass something off as one’s own work when it isn’t.
Mees 🔻@maxleibman depends on the content. Retelling a joke or sharing a meme seems fine to me.
Quincy ⁂@maxleibman Of course. Always cite sources, or else it's plagiarism.
(it doesn't necessarily have to be a clickable hyperlink, though)
@quincy Exactly. Hence the “or at least” above.
miki@maxleibman Don't you understand? If an AI sees my content in training, that's a violation of my human rights, even if that content never directly appears in its output. When a Mastodon users copies my post... they're a Mastodon user, they have the absolute right to do so, and nobody can tell them otherwise.
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@maxleibman where possible to links and yes definitely don't take credit. say who you got it from if it's still findable or you recall if not
@maxleibman Poll ended. Those 25 people who said 'No' are people I know I'd immediately never want to work with. Very interesting results...